REAL hand examples, insight into my play

[MovingFlea]

You should've just checked the turn. And if you get short stacked, so what, it's a turbo, at one point, almost everyone is considered short stack.

Almost everyone LOSES. See the connection? lol jk. Yea I should have checked the turn, I just didin't know that at the time. the fu---- was slowplaying me.

[TheHaversham]

Almost everyone LOSES. See the connection? lol jk. Yea I should have checked the turn, I just didin't know that at the time. the fu---- was slowplaying me.

Which you induced. Consider that he puts you on the strongest pre-flop hand, AA. Flop comes J-high, he may be pondering a check-raise to get you off pairs below J and/or AK/AQ. If you continue, he knows where he's at. But you CHECKED the flop. That was another mistake, and now his hand has value as a bluff-catcher. You're not folding overpairs, so no real need for him to bet the turn, but AK/AQ and TT and lower would almost ALWAYS bet, so no real need for him to fold. If he bets out instead of check-calling, he gives you the opportunity to shove, which puts him in an awkward spot with top pair and flush draw. It makes much more sense for him to keep the pot under control (see what he did there?). By the river, he can be fairly certain to be ahead, so the biggest bet he thinks you'll call is justified.

[MovingFlea]

Which you induced. Consider that he puts you on the strongest pre-flop hand, AA. Flop comes J-high, he may be pondering a check-raise to get you off pairs below J and/or AK/AQ. If you continue, he knows where he's at. But you CHECKED the flop. That was another mistake, and now his hand has value as a bluff-catcher. You're not folding overpairs, so no real need for him to bet the turn, but AK/AQ and TT and lower would almost ALWAYS bet, so no real need for him to fold. If he bets out instead of check-calling, he gives you the opportunity to shove, which puts him in an awkward spot with top pair and flush draw. It makes much more sense for him to keep the pot under control (see what he did there?). By the river, he can be fairly certain to be ahead, so the biggest bet he thinks you'll call is justified.

He's just luckky as shit I didin't have AQ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ. I've tightened up my game lately, so I wont be making this mistake next time with QT.

[TheHaversham]

Well, if you consider that if you had AQ, AA, or KK you would also have lost (did he not make two pair on the end?). True, you may have flopped top set, or rivered a set, but as played that is quite unlikely.

[TheHaversham]

And I'm sorry to hi-jack...next time I'll read the entire thread before commenting so I can consolidate.

If you understand that 10BBs is ATC territory for an unraised button, you should be able to grasp the 15BB shove into 35BBs as well. It's virtually the same thing.

And while it's true that sometimes you need to push the smallest edges, remember that when you get it all-in with an 85/15 edge, you are going to lose 15% of the time. If the field is so weak that you know you can consistently pummel them, then perhaps risking getting busted 15% is worth avoiding. An idiot on this hand will still be an idiot on the next hand, and luck runs both ways.

[chrisdione]

playing that hand was the first mistake. In a PO game playing Q10 off is not a hand I would get involved in unless it was a short table or the FT. Sorry, you started this hand all wrong. Then raising 7x BB was the second mistake. Better luck next time.

[MovingFlea]

how many people would have made the call on hand 2?