Collusion?

[bigphatmike]

Im sorry but i just cant see how this can be called collusion when neither of them used any of the information the other one gave out. The fact that gimme called with a weaker hand when fury said his hand shows they werent working together and that gimme didnt use the knowledge of fury having a better hand than him to his advantage. Basically what happened was Fury turned his cards up and Gimme acted out of turn.

As you keep claiming to be a "real" and "true" poker player im sure youve seen people turn their cards up before and people act out of turn, are they banable offenses??

Dont get me wrong im totally against collusion in poker. But that is not what happened here.

You can call it what you want. You dont have to call it collusion , but the had was.. I call it straight cheating.. I call it a Cheap attempt to get an edge on me. I call it unfair. i call it what it is: Two players that KNEW EXACTLY what they were doing. He knew they werent heads up Gimme 3 bet the hand and i reshoved, action then was on Fury. Fury did not act until about 10 seconds after what Brew said. I will gladly give the 2k points back if zab bans the kids from client.
You dont have to call it " collusion" Call it CHEATING. exactly what it is. people are not allowed to talka bout a hand while stil in action and discuss thier strategy prior to acting. This is the second time this has happened to me. The First time was much worse, and Rckt has come out and said he was blantally wrong and apologized and promised to never do it again.

I cant beleive you think nothing is wrong here.

[Prawney]

You can call it what you want. You dont have to call it collusion , but the had was.. I call it straight cheating.. I call it a Cheap attempt to get an edge on me. I call it unfair. i call it what it is: Two players that KNEW EXACTLY what they were doing. He knew they werent heads up Gimme 3 bet the hand and i reshoved, action then was on Fury. Fury did not act until about 10 seconds after what Brew said. I will gladly give the 2k points back if zab bans the kids from client.
You dont have to call it " collusion" Call it CHEATING. exactly what it is. people are not allowed to talka bout a hand while stil in action and discuss thier strategy prior to acting. This is the second time this has happened to me. The First time was much worse, and Rckt has come out and said he was blantally wrong and apologized and promised to never do it again.

I cant beleive you think nothing is wrong here.

If you explain to me where in the hand either of them got an edge over you or acted any differently then they would have if nothing was said then ill agree with you that something is wrong.

[bmeelneg]

If you explain to me where in the hand either of them got an edge over you or acted any differently then they would have if nothing was said then ill agree with you that something is wrong.

This is actually pretty easy to explain. As discussed many times already talking about your hand when others are involved is a major no no.

Here is one of many instances of what a google search for "poker etiquette" will produce.

Poker Etiquette: Basic Poker Rules and Table Manners

2. Don't Talk About Your Cards While the Hand is Still Going On

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google "poker collusion" ... one of the first hits

Poker Collusion

The most common form of cheating online is called ?collusion?. Colluders work in teams to either bet other players out of the pot, share information about what cards they each have, or to ?chip dump? to one another.

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If you know two cards that are dead and they are no help to you then you gain an edge... If I needed one of 4 eights or one of 4 fours to make a straight I'd love to know that 2 tens were dead.

[bigphatmike]

This is actually pretty easy to explain. As discussed many times already talking about your hand when others are involved is a major no no.

Here is one of many instances of what a google search for "poker etiquette" will produce.

Poker Etiquette: Basic Poker Rules and Table Manners

2. Don't Talk About Your Cards While the Hand is Still Going On

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google "poker collusion" ... one of the first hits

Poker Collusion

The most common form of cheating online is called ?collusion?. Colluders work in teams to either bet other players out of the pot, share information about what cards they each have, or to ?chip dump? to one another.

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If you know two cards that are dead and they are no help to you then you gain an edge... If I needed one of 4 eights or one of 4 fours to make a straight I'd love to know that 2 tens were dead.

Right On~

[Prawney]

This is actually pretty easy to explain. As discussed many times already talking about your hand when others are involved is a major no no.

Here is one of many instances of what a google search for "poker etiquette" will produce.

Poker Etiquette: Basic Poker Rules and Table Manners

2. Don't Talk About Your Cards While the Hand is Still Going On

=========

google "poker collusion" ... one of the first hits

Poker Collusion

The most common form of cheating online is called ?collusion?. Colluders work in teams to either bet other players out of the pot, share information about what cards they each have, or to ?chip dump? to one another.

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If you know two cards that are dead and they are no help to you then you gain an edge... If I needed one of 4 eights or one of 4 fours to make a straight I'd love to know that 2 tens were dead.

This proves nothing. So doing 1 thing that colluders do just proves they were colluding. Thats like saying DL in the NFL usually weigh over 300llbs. So when i see someone 300llbs+ i can disregard all the other information i have and just assume he plays as a DL in the NFL. I know its stupid but that seems to be the arguements we are going for today.

People seem to be missing my point. Mrfury said what hand he held. I agree with everyone that he cant/shouldnt do this. Normally his hand is ruled dead. Gimme didnt really do anything wrong. He indulged in table talk and while borderline all casino's/ card rooms have diff rules when it comes to what kinda talk they allow. You could even say he acted out of turn and his verbal action was binding, but since mrfury shoved the action changed and so he isnt held to his verbal action anymore.

Ive never said that there wasnt some kind of foul play in the hand. But seriously with all the information available you cant say these guys were colluding against bpm. BPM is in this thread calling for bans and what not. When ur in the casino and somone flips up there hand my mistake and u see his cards do you stand up and scream "FLOOR", Then tell the floor you want everyone at the table kicked out and banned for colluding because they all see what hand he held and will use that info against you.

Fury made a simple mistake. He even apologised for it. Yet your still on a mission to prove this was collusion against you.

[bigphatmike]

This proves nothing. So doing 1 thing that colluders do just proves they were colluding. Thats like saying DL in the NFL usually weigh over 300llbs. So when i see someone 300llbs+ i can disregard all the other information i have and just assume he plays as a DL in the NFL. I know its stupid but that seems to be the arguements we are going for today.

People seem to be missing my point. Mrfury said what hand he held. I agree with everyone that he cant/shouldnt do this. Normally his hand is ruled dead. Gimme didnt really do anything wrong. He indulged in table talk and while borderline all casino's/ card rooms have diff rules when it comes to what kinda talk they allow. You could even say he acted out of turn and his verbal action was binding, but since mrfury shoved the action changed and so he isnt held to his verbal action anymore.

Ive never said that there wasnt some kind of foul play in the hand. But seriously with all the information available you cant say these guys were colluding against bpm. BPM is in this thread calling for bans and what not. When ur in the casino and somone flips up there hand my mistake and u see his cards do you stand up and scream "FLOOR", Then tell the floor you want everyone at the table kicked out and banned for colluding because they all see what hand he held and will use that info against you.

Fury made a simple mistake. He even apologised for it. Yet your still on a mission to prove this was collusion against you.

@Prawney if a guy accidentally shows his hand yes i am calling FLOOR because that is now a dead hand right away,,even if he has money in the pot, even if hes all in . that is the Rules and i stick by the rules. Its just like specualting in live poker, its a form of colluding. Speculation is sooo DAMN lenient and that pisses me off, because you can get a lot of information out of one perosn talking about his/her hand even to the littlest. So yes the action has changed because now their is new information, and you better beive Mrfury acted out of that Information.

[Prawney]

@Prawney if a guy accidentally shows his hand yes i am calling FLOOR because that is now a dead hand right away,,even if he has money in the pot, even if hes all in . that is the Rules and i stick by the rules. Its just like specualting in live poker, its a form of colluding. Speculation is sooo DAMN lenient and that pisses me off, because you can get a lot of information out of one perosn talking about his/her hand even to the littlest. So yes the action has changed because now their is new information, and you better beive Mrfury acted out of that Information.

Why are you arguing against a point i didnt even make. I was asking if someone flipped their cards up would you call the floor and accuse the guy of colluding.