Do you guys ever do this? What are your thoughts on people who do?
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Do you guys ever do this? What are your thoughts on people who do?
I think it's annoying as hell. Not to mention childish.
OMG this drives me BAT SHIT cra-cra...I HATE when people do it!!!
haha Childish. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Tecate
I think it just says take my chips!
Ill take a few extra seconds to think of my move but I wont run my timer to 0.
I dont mind it honestly.. if they have below 10 bb then I understand. They are basically done anyways, might as well try to make a little money.
Basically done with 10 bbs? Not at all. Maybe with half a bb..Quote:
Originally Posted by dtfbobsaget
two times now I should have just post n folded to win money. and yes I stall to make the money.
I've seen this question a couple of times on here. Most people hate it when its someone else doing it but if its the best chance for you to make the money then go ahead. You're playing for yourself not them.
Also once you have made the money players loosen up. It's not uncommon for a lot of players get to knocked out soon after the bubble bursts. You actually have a chance to get an even higher payout.
if someone sits out when they get a lead it makes me go nuts.... but stalling within online poker is kind of understandable if you want to make money just depends on the person.... i personally cant sit in the corner the whole game lol
I cant stand to stall. I won't do it cause I figure the more hands I see if I am short stacked the better chance I have to make the money. Stalling does nothing to improve my chances.
I'm not a fan, but know folkz that do it....to each hiz own
People play differently and certain situations require different strategies. There is no correct answer, other than if someone just wants the money, they will stall.
i play on Club WPT and i bubble every day in a big tourney.. but when i do stall early i tend to get blinded in. so instead i go insane until i hit about 100k and then i chill and wait for the places to be paid.. 4 nights in a row i went out 15,16, or 13,
i dont really mind it.. it doesnt affect me very much.. if everybody does it then its more chips for me.. they arent confident in there play
In general I think it's a bad idea, because any stack with more than 10BBs should be looking to take advantage of as many hands as possible before the bubble bursts. I also am focused on running as deep as I can instead of min cashing, so surviving barely ITM is not that important to me. However, I will stall in the rare situation where I am very short stacked (roughly 5BBs or less) and there are other stacks close in size, or maybe a little shorter and I want the blinds to hit them and knock them out first. Usually, when people are stalling like that, the blinds will go up and all of a sudden 5 bbs turns into 2-3. I want the other person to get caught by that first.
Oh, and if it's hand for hand and there is a short stack at the other table, I will sometimes stall to see if they play there hand before I decide if I want to play mine.
I stall if I have chips to make sure a player will make the money if they are on the bubble.
I don't think there's value in it - if you're already short, delaying just lets the blinds crawl up. It's a losing strategy. Better off picking your spot and making your play, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtfbobsaget
making the money is a bad goal. Winning (or at least top 3 - where all the big money is) should be your goal. Any other cash is going to be small enough of a win that (unless you are risking too much of your BR) it won't help you build your BR enough. If cashing means that much to you then I guess its a good strategy, but it takes away a lot of your probability of winning.
I don't mind if a person is on the bubble but thats when you see a lot of luckbox hands.
any strategy that is not cheating should be utilized at the appropriate time
If it gives me the best chance and I have weak cards, I will stall. I have moneyed twice that way.
Is this a question?because if I'm in a poker tourney and I can improve my bankroll I don't give dam what the rest of the table thinks.
totally agree
With? You didn't even read the thread. Enjoy your 5 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vintage69
You have to do what you have to do!
i stall around the money/ft to let short stacks get blinded out/down its actually a really smart move some people get tilted because of it and ship they're stacks right to you or to another and the short stacks will have to be less picky on push hands :) also do it when blinds aree about to go up :)
very + ev in my books
I agree! You don't hear anyone complain when they work the clock in baseball, football, etc. With these long registration periods that carbon allows many short stacks can rebuy over and over without any sort of BR concern simply to gain an advantage. Why would I ever want any one person or even the entire field have the advantage or detract from my own opportunity to take advantage of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by mawoyto
The obvious reason would be when you are short stacked and simply want to nearly double your ORI and survive. This is also another product of not only long registration periods but the fact that carbon is paying back almost a quarters of the entries. Any fool can camp for aces and kings and find at least one double up most of the time. I can easily make it to the money with 1 double up as it is now. This also diminishes final table payouts making it less rewarding to go deep in the field.
So yes, I am going to do whatever it takes to gain an advantage. In my opinion the excessive stalling we are seeing here is a product of illogical conditions.
I personally wouldn't do it, and you should take advantage of people who do it by being insanely aggressive around this time of the tournament. It's especially pointless in hand for hand situations.
agreed, it only makes sense if the min cash is really big.Quote:
Originally Posted by buonafide
I'm sorry but I'm playing for the WIN, I don't care if I have 4bb's I'm not gonna stall I'm shoving with my A10, I would rather try and double up then stall in hopes I cash for the minimum.
with less than 5 BBs and on the actual bubble I will do it. Along with folded any hand but AA. I have folded KK in this position before, I took tons of crap from people here for it, but I made the money. Online sites could solve this problem by more efficiently going hand for hand, some sites do it others don't. Every live tournament at a casino I have ever played does it, so I am not sure why every online site doesn't.
Strategy is strategy, whether or not you personally like it. If it works to get you in the money, then who is anyone else to say it's wrong or right? Sure, it can be annoying when someone else does it, but if it makes the difference between getting in the money and not... wouldn't you consider it to?
yea a lot of people stall to make the money! This doesnt bother me at all!
It never bothers me either when people stall like crazy to ITM because sometimes I do that lmao.
Like a few others have said, it depends on my position. If I'm at a table where I'm outgunned and being outplayed at every turn, I'll play less hands (I won't timer-stall though) and tighten up so that I'll either win a pot and get back in, or gain as many positions forward in the money as I can. While I TRY to go for the win in a tournament, if I can't, I'd rather at least turn out with a slightly higher profit. Like I said, it depends.
Note: SOMETIMES I'll stall the timer if I'm in EP and we're playing Full Ring, but never to the bottom. Just a few extra seconds before I fold. And this is only if I really feel like I've lost already, and we're close to the next paying position.
Obviously the point is to play to win, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Guaranteed money, even if it isn't much to speak of, is better than nothing!
It's a little annoying, but it happens all the time. What is annoying is a bubble that doesn't wanna burst.