Ah... Over Playing AK seems to be my kryptonite. Last night AK(s) ran into KK. Any suggestions?
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Ah... Over Playing AK seems to be my kryptonite. Last night AK(s) ran into KK. Any suggestions?
you just cant get afraid to play AK hard, even tho its still a drawing hand. Its just bad luck when it runs into AA or KK lol
Just remember 22>AK.
I do not consider it an all in PF hand unless if you are short ( I know others will disagree, I see some all in with any suited ace), I would raise to isolate and see the flop, but am prepared to lay it down if I miss and my C bet gets called/raised..
Depending on how many bb you had it may have just been a unfortunate situation
I know statistically Ak vrs 22 is a coin flip but it really isnt as close as odds make it appear. Ak is ranked 8 hands better then 22, you can look at it anyways u want but ak is 8 hands better...with 22 thru to upper middle pairs u have to hit to win. Theres no way to call anything after a higher card hits the flop(unless ur live and have a helluva read) and odds are higher cards will hit the flop. I know some will disagree but.... look at a hand rank guide.
ppl overplay them like they are god,especially in plo games
i was at your table when that happened to you.. and there is no such thing as overplaying ak ! ! !
AK is not all that great of a hand post flop. It is a hand I use to 3 or 4 bet ppl with preflop in the hopes of picking up the blinds and extra pot. I never want to go on after preflop if i can stop it.
AK is a good hand especialy suited....its a tier 2 hand....right behind AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,99.....its also the best drawing hand...on Carbon poker i tend to play AK super strong...now i do this...because its a profitable play most of the time...people on carbon over play QQ,JJ,AQ, and AJ.....also 90% of the time your opponet isnt goin to have AA or KK...overall preflop i beleive you play AK pretty agressive and most of the time even if you get re-raised your getting pot odds and implied odds
AK is an excellent starting hand, but it certainly does get over played and over bet.
please share why you think he is wrong ...
I think he is pretty correct on this one. 22 vs ak ... the 2's are about 52/48 favorite if its heads up and it gets the river (key word is IF). Hard to take 22 all the way to the river if you get any heat. Say a flop comes 5 J Q rainbow ... someone leads out with a decent sized bet ... would you rather call that bet with 22 or AK?
AK's the shit, and deuces are shit. I don't care about the 52/48. You have a 4% chance of hitting a set on flop, and if not you are going to fold to any bet b4u right?
damn I suck its 11.8%, still not good odds!
AK is the 14th best starting hand preflop so just remember that. I dont know how many times ive seen idiots blow big stacks cuz they either call a big preflop all in or shove with AK. Unless your short you shouldnt shove with AK. Only exception I see would be a bounty tourney because then at least there is something at stake. In a regular tourney they are long and 1 hand wont win it but it can lose it for you.
hmmmm no and no
reread the first sentence on what he said .... "I know statistically Ak vs 22 is a coin flip..." <-more or less right 22 is a slight fav but its commonly referred to as a flip. He didn't say it was a fav he said it was a flip ... there is a difference.
"AK is ranked 8 hands better then 22..." again more or less right (how many hands higher it is varies from source to source). It also varies how many people are seeing the flop.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1990/top10no.png
Ak is ranked higher then 22 by starting hand requirements even though it is technically behind IF its heads up. Just two of the reasons why its ranked higher ...
One) if you wiff the flop with either hand the AK can often continue where the 22 cannot. See the example I already gave you.
Two) 22 runs the risk of getting counterfeited. For example on a final board where its something like 4488Q the 22 hand is absolutely worthless, the ak hand may very well be the best hand.
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the odds change slightly if they share suites or not, but it is closer to 52/48 then it is 50/50
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4369/akvs22.png
Ty bmeelneg, it isnt too often but i do have some knowledge of poker that i use once in a great while.. I think you got me right off and spot on
Pokerdemon- I would like to know the source of where you saw that AK was the 14th best starting hand?
I shove with ak when the blinds are high and a major call with determine how many players left
tough hand for me as of late
then again people just call everything these days
so its allin or fold lol
Yeah have a many player all in with AK ;)
@abwil no problem, yw
and ya I never saw a list with it (AK) ranked 14th .... would be interesting to see that list
pretend its ace 10 and play it like that
prob is if u go allin u can't pretend u jus hav to wait n watch so gud to leave sum margin for error.
i think with AK the real risk is if your against KK or AA, it happens sometimes and in those times if u have gone all in thats too bad...
Just can't over play AK before the flop!!!!!
A/K against a large bet preflop,,, you could very well be in a race and your a dog....
yeap ak is a bitch of a hand.... easy to fall in love with it!!!!!!!!!!!!
So hard to lay it down especially with someone else betting into you pre-flop. I do as others have said and try and smooth call just to see the flop. But still hard to lay it down!
A,K!!! ALL IN............ ...... . right? lol
i would have to say from experience that ak for me comes up about a quarter of the time when i,m holdin them,so i like to smooth call myself if it comes i bet if it dont i get the hell out of there lol
ak is tricky. its valueble preflop. its very valueable when u hit on the flop. you have to be able to get away
I always overplay these cards, it is always gonna be a coinflip