Cash game insight

I played this hand at my local casino the other night. It was an interesting/tough decision. Im still not totally sure whether i made the correct play. Thought i would throw this one out to all you guys.

$1-$2 blinds. Got about $200 to start the hand.
I limped with 88 in early/ middle pos. 2 others called behind me and then the button raised to $10. BB called, and so we took 5 people to the flop.
Flop came 8910 with 2 diamonds. Everybody checked to the button raiser who bet $25. I called and one other player called.
3 People took to the turn card which was a 5 of diamonds. We again checked to the raiser who fired again for $45, leaving about $20 behind. I thought for a little while and decided to fold, and to my dismay the other player folded as well.

Also as a sidenote the player in between me and the button had over $300 making my call that much tougher. I thought it was reasonable that either the button had me beat, and if he didn't then the player in between us probably had turned a flush and was going for the check raise.

It was a Tough position, still dont know what the button had. Give me your thoughts on the hand.

personally i raise the flop. you are never gonna know where you are in a hand just check calling. if you get reraised its most likely a flush draw or over pair. either way you cannot fold a set. bad play on your part

honestly what are you trying to hit if you play 88???? an 8 correct??? you also gotta look at the pot. $50 in preflop. then another $75 on flop. you have $35 in pot when he bets $45? so you have to call $45 to win 170$ essentially and youre calling his 20$ on river. so worst fold in history even with the guy behind you with $300 stack. he didnt jam the flop so he had low PP or AK AQ. you had the nuts kid

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Originally Posted by tommy62278

honestly what are you trying to hit if you play 88???? an 8 correct??? you also gotta look at the pot. $50 in preflop. then another $75 on flop. you have $35 in pot when he bets $45? so you have to call $45 to win 170$ essentially and youre calling his 20$ on river. so worst fold in history even with the guy behind you with $300 stack. he didnt jam the flop so he had low PP or AK AQ. you had the nuts kid

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tototally agree, on the turn through out a min raise or all in to either get the $300 stack out of hand a chance to triple or KO the short stack... very slight chance $300 stack doesnt bet made hand against two shorter stacks...

did you ask the guy after he/she left the table? once a player asked about my cards in a tournament where i went to go all in but the dealer wasnt paying attention, talking to wait staff and well long story short i pulled my stack back and folded. later i find out the guy was probably beat by my hand. but at least i got to talk about it afterwards. just saying. that's tough board.

What kind of hands had he been raising with? The truth was, you could've pushed all in on the turn and try to run the river twice. When you have a pair, you want the set.

i dont now i just dont like to fold set its hard to get 1 again

Honestly I put him on AA or KK, something like that, he was preflop raiser meaning he was strong before the diamonds hit the board.

I would have shipped it with the set, but ya neva know, he coulda had straight or flush on you...you were there and made the play

yea I think I would have raised the flop also!!

I think I would have folded. he raised preflop so he had to have something before flop. Your pair just middle so I wouldn't have chanced it myself. But who knows.

I'm all in with the set....you are almost 100% ahead after flop, unless someone flopped the st8.

everybody brings up good points. but here are some things i would like to bring up in regards to most peoples arguments:

1) for those who think i should have raised the flop: This is a reasonable play in my mind IF THERE WASNT 5 PEOPLE IN THE HAND. Checkraising with bottom set on 8910 with 2 diamonds into 5 people could very well lose you more money in the long run. In Addition, most people on the flop ARE ONLY THINKING ABOUT THE RAISER. You are all failing to think about the 2 people behind me. Yes, the button continued on the flop with a bet. Now, if you raise here and one of the 2 players behind you flopped a higher set/ straight/ Flush draw, your probably getting your whole stack in the middle where your either an underdog or a small favorite. IMO these are the marginal situations that you want to stay away from.

2)On seperate note, a lot of people are saying "ITS A SET, NEVER LAY IT DOWN". To this note, i think you guys are doing yourself a great disservice by only thinking about YOUR HAND, and not thinking about your opponents hand. IMO when the button fires the turn again for most his stack AFTER the diamond hits the turn completing the flush, and having been called in 2 spots, he's saying i have a set beat. BEST CASE SCENARIO HERE IMO, is that the button raised with big overpair and turned a flush draw to go along with his overpair.

With all that being said, it is entirely reasonable that my hand was good. However, after playing more with this player i am confident that he had me beat.

I would have raised the flop with a possible flush/straight out there to see where I stood. After the turn I would have fired again and if I was raised then maybe a fold. I wouldn't have checked with trips though.

When you play cash it is a different game then tournaments, have to stay disciplined. and within bankroll

if this was a heads up pot i completely agree with you. But with 5 people in the hand in a raise pot i didnt want to get my whole stack in the middle on 8910 w/2 diamonds flop. If i check raise i have to make it $70-$80 which in effect means im going with my hand regardless of the turn since i would only have about 80ish left. Im never raising the flop only to fold the turn given stacked sizes.
And the bad part is that there are so many bad turn cards that can come off (Any diamond, 7, 6, Jack, Queen).
This is why i didnt like the raise option. I decides to just flat and see what comes off. Then when it came a diamond and the button was still firing (not scared of the diamond at all) i figured he must have bottom set beat.
Very few times if ever that i have laid down a set. However, i dont feel too terrible about this play, but who knows.

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Originally Posted by donny111

if this was a heads up pot i completely agree with you. But with 5 people in the hand in a raise pot i didnt want to get my whole stack in the middle on 8910 w/2 diamonds flop. If i check raise i have to make it $70-$80 which in effect means im going with my hand regardless of the turn since i would only have about 80ish left. Im never raising the flop only to fold the turn given stacked sizes.
And the bad part is that there are so many bad turn cards that can come off (Any diamond, 7, 6, Jack, Queen).
This is why i didnt like the raise option. I decides to just flat and see what comes off. Then when it came a diamond and the button was still firing (not scared of the diamond at all) i figured he must have bottom set beat.
Very few times if ever that i have laid down a set. However, i dont feel too terrible about this play, but who knows.

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raising is still the correct play. you'll give flush and straight draws horrible odds to continue by raising. call and peeling one off is worth it to them. you got to protect your hand and find out where your hand is. you can do both by raising. the fact there was 5 people is more the reason to raise. if the swing of losing your whole stack is too scary, you're playing too high of stakes.

2 BB definitely raise on the flop, and in the case of a re-raise the turn and wait for the call!

You're right about the big bets, if afraid to make a call to a raise why play?

As played, I think the fold on the turn is correct. You have other players left to act behind you, you probably dont have the best hand and there even could be another set playing the same way as you. The board is so coordinated, that you really should be raising the flop to help define the other hands out there.

talking to wait staff and well long story short i pulled my stack back and folded. this was good...

you should have on the flop re raise :D

I can't say I would have played it much differently. I have been playing for years and its obvious you have been playing a while as well
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see you at the tables

I think I probably push on the flop to minimize the chance of a flush draw hanging around for the turn. In a $1/$2 game you don't have enough on the table to get nervous about the possibility someone will make a loose call and hit another diamond. Reason being you didn't show any strength or get any info so when the diamond falls you have no idea where you stand and your opponent is going to represent the flush whether he has it or not. This is what occupational players call "scared money", and they kill it with attrition.

only check call with the stones or a draw in my opinion

It was a Tough position, still dont know