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  1. #1
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    lol i meant 20k, instad of 2k, i do agree with shark you need at least 50-100bb..oops

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    IMO live poker is impossible to be pro without taking on large amounts of risk. Especially for MTTs. You have to be backed or sell action for markup. Just so fucking hard to beat the absurd rake.

    Online is impossible to be pro now in the USA. Think about it. A handful of USA players make 50k+ a year and its mostly luck based. You could be a professional lottery player and have a much better outlook than that

    If online does come back for USA I fear they will tax it at a % that makes the game impossible to beat.

    Remember your number #1 opponent at every single table is the house. They get guaranteed 2nd-3rd place money in every tourney and in some gross ones they get 1st place cash. Its gross.

    Rake of 9% is tough to beat online because u cant find big enough edges anymore. Not enough donks going ALL IN with inferior aces etc. AQo used to be a winning hand, now its -EV because not enough people stacking off with AJ A10 or worse.

    Rake of 20% live is just LOL. ya fields are much worse so it evens a little but still impossible to beat.

    You missed the boat for professional poker. If you were nasty in 2005-2008 there was a lot of money to be made.

    Now everyone caught up the the curve, edges are getting smaller and the casino is becoming one of the only winners. Its pretty hard just to break even online. something like 90% of winners are barely over break even or only winning because of rake back. Rake is soooooo fucking hard to beat. They are smart they picked a great number to charge where the most elite could scrape by a small win %, a lot would be slightly below break even, and then some whales/degens would cover the rest. Think about how much casinos and online sites make. Add the rake they take for a single day.. Its sickening. We need lower rake for poker to be beatable again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharking View Post
    IMO live poker is impossible to be pro without taking on large amounts of risk. Especially for MTTs. You have to be backed or sell action for markup. Just so fucking hard to beat the absurd rake.

    Online is impossible to be pro now in the USA. Think about it. A handful of USA players make 50k+ a year and its mostly luck based. You could be a professional lottery player and have a much better outlook than that

    If online does come back for USA I fear they will tax it at a % that makes the game impossible to beat.

    Remember your number #1 opponent at every single table is the house. They get guaranteed 2nd-3rd place money in every tourney and in some gross ones they get 1st place cash. Its gross.

    Rake of 9% is tough to beat online because u cant find big enough edges anymore. Not enough donks going ALL IN with inferior aces etc. AQo used to be a winning hand, now its -EV because not enough people stacking off with AJ A10 or worse.

    Rake of 20% live is just LOL. ya fields are much worse so it evens a little but still impossible to beat.

    You missed the boat for professional poker. If you were nasty in 2005-2008 there was a lot of money to be made.

    Now everyone caught up the the curve, edges are getting smaller and the casino is becoming one of the only winners. Its pretty hard just to break even online. something like 90% of winners are barely over break even or only winning because of rake back. Rake is soooooo fucking hard to beat. They are smart they picked a great number to charge where the most elite could scrape by a small win %, a lot would be slightly below break even, and then some whales/degens would cover the rest. Think about how much casinos and online sites make. Add the rake they take for a single day.. Its sickening. We need lower rake for poker to be beatable again

    you hit the nail on the head. I started playing for a living in 2007, i was better in 2008 than in 07, better in 09 than in 08 and better in 2010 than in 09. and 2010 was my worst year overall. games got alot tougher

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    yea rake is a bitch!! Like worm said WOMEN ARE THE FUCKIN RAKE! lmao

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    Would need like 100k. Lot luck. Join bunch 5k tourneys. Hope cash in all. Maybe make 300k a year. Ha

  6. #6
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    Very true you would need atleast a BR of $20k to make around $200/day. But if you like to test the waters start with about $150 and play in the $5 SNG tournies.

    I myself did and played about 8K hands a month. Done fairly well at first, but others picked up on some of my tendensies. And it was a learning experience. But to find out if you have what it takes to make that kind of $$$ test your self before diving in with alot cash.

    GL

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    10k minimum

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    Yes on carbon and on bovada!

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    if your like me stay at the po freerolls tell you are higher. 20 and I start playing like I have real money for some dumb reason.

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    Dont play with the money and stick to freerolls.
    "Success is a science; if you have the conditions, you will get the results" -Oscar Wilde

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