Any Winning Double or Nothing Players with Strategy Advice?

[plutogon]

Yeah, well specifically the grinders you frequently see at double or nothings at a particular stake. Like a grinder at $2.00+ on Carbon is meatwadgod (I think it's okay if I mention his name on here?) He is consistently playing 50+ tables of double or nothings and wins tens of thousands of dollars just grinding them out.

If there is a player like him at a table, along with a bunch of other winning players (sharkscope or officialpokerrankings are great for scouting tables), I usually won't sit down, even if I still feel I have an edge, as there are greater edges elsewhere if I am patient for them.

Right now, my bankroll is about 100 dollars. It increases but then falls back down due to poor cash game play. I figured I would increase it to a more comfortable level and then use my winnings to invest in sites like pokertableratings or sharkscope or officialpokerrankings (which do you prefer). Should I wait for my bankroll to be higher, or am I just wasting my time. Should I invest in stuff like that early so my bankroll will build faster?

[Adamw]

Yeah, well specifically the grinders you frequently see at double or nothings at a particular stake. Like a grinder at $2.00+ on Carbon is meatwadgod (I think it's okay if I mention his name on here?) He is consistently playing 50+ tables of double or nothings and wins tens of thousands of dollars just grinding them out.

If there is a player like him at a table, along with a bunch of other winning players (sharkscope or officialpokerrankings are great for scouting tables), I usually won't sit down, even if I still feel I have an edge, as there are greater edges elsewhere if I am patient for them.

That's a really good idea. For some reason I just scope the players once I'm in the SNG or Tourney. I should probably do so ahead of time from now on. Thanks!

...and seriously? a guy winning thousands playing double or nothing? ug, I'd rather hang myself, lol.

[jasonv12]

I'd rather play with this guy than a nobody in which I have never seen before...easier to steal his blinds & I know how he plays. A noob calls too loose & tends to get you kicked out of a sng easier & double ups are all about survival.
Meatwadgod has some mad volume in, but I think 50 tabling is a bit of a exaggeration, since I've seen him talking shit to other regs once in awhile LOL. & he also averages 85 games a day according to sharkscope.

I agree with you somewhat. I think all but one, maybe two, of the fish would be out by the time to steal blinds comes around -- and the fish will have an unnecessarily big stack as well. I feel like that's the dead weight in these that makes them profitable. I mean, I *won't* steal that fish's blind without a premium, and if they are right to my left it's extremely frustrating, however a table of all regs who understand the game, would result in no one having much of an edge and just everyone donating to rake. That's why I play all the stakes through $11, because I'm not looking for the fastest filling or even best buy in tournaments for my bankroll with these, but rather, the right balance between dead money and players who understand the dynamics/regs. That's just me. Your playing style in these is slightly different than mine, so maybe my style needs to overshoot the fish goal a little, I'm not sure.

[jasonv12]

The $5 games & above are all usually REG infested. It does get hard to play these & still profit above the $10 level, but it's doable. I don't really play $1 games any differently than $10+ games tho. Making the right decesions always pay off in the long run & I try not to register in games with more than 5 REGs, but sometimes its not possible. (which sux)

shove - never call allins.& shoving ranges are the most important things to remember when grinding double ups.

I agree with the post much more than the one before it.

[pr41]

I owned the $1 Omaha double ups on lock before they switched over to revolution, won 17 in a row at one point. I know your playing hold em but try to see as many flops as u can as early as u can as cheap as u can with basically any connectors or suited hands. If you don't hit anything early go into all in or fold mode once u get into round 4-5 and steal in position at least once a round. Since blinds go up quick try 2.5x bb raises to unopened pots. If u get over 3500 chips don't play anything except vs small stacks to move game along or AA KK if you want. It's not really needed to even get into any pot when you get over 3500 about 80% of the time but there will be games when you stack up early and before u know it the blinds are coming to put u all in. Also depends on how your table is playing of course. The omahas had virtually the same people in them every time so I had easy reads on villains. I think the hold em $1s get a lot of regs too, so of course take note of who is in. Reading over this advice, it actually looks pretty crappy. Huge diff omaha/hold em. Eh, I tried.

[plutogon]

I owned the $1 Omaha double ups on lock before they switched over to revolution, won 17 in a row at one point. I know your playing hold em but try to see as many flops as u can as early as u can as cheap as u can with basically any connectors or suited hands. If you don't hit anything early go into all in or fold mode once u get into round 4-5 and steal in position at least once a round. Since blinds go up quick try 2.5x bb raises to unopened pots. If u get over 3500 chips don't play anything except vs small stacks to move game along or AA KK if you want. It's not really needed to even get into any pot when you get over 3500 about 80% of the time but there will be games when you stack up early and before u know it the blinds are coming to put u all in. Also depends on how your table is playing of course. The omahas had virtually the same people in them every time so I had easy reads on villains. I think the hold em $1s get a lot of regs too, so of course take note of who is in. Reading over this advice, it actually looks pretty crappy. Huge diff omaha/hold em. Eh, I tried.

Wow sounds amazing! You were crushing it there! I hope you are still doing well and profiting. Thanks for the advice, some of that stuff is still good to have in mind, even if its a different game. The more opinions the better. And I will definitely thank you if I get into omaha double up's one day...as for right now, i'm having enough trouble with just texas holdem to branch off into other variants of the game.

Is lock not as great since they switched over? How are you managing now?

[vtriclone]

just fold your way to the money. i think that should win errytime.

[plutogon]

just fold your way to the money. i think that should win errytime.

Well to profit you need to win a god deal more than half...you'll find an exact percentage if you do the math...can't remember off the top of my head but it varies depending on the tournament fee (the reason why you have to win more than half to even break even). Lets say you are going 50% at 5.50 SNG's. You invest 11 to play two and you win one at 10.20....thats losing 80 c per 2 you play....thats a 7.2 percent loss on your investment. If you multitable hundreds of these, your bankroll will pretty much be gone in a day...so yeah folding will work a little bit, but its definitely not enough for you to have a high enough win rate to profit

[EvilFish]

First post on these boards, but i, too, love these double or nothing SnGs. I think everyone is on the right path....fold early and pick your spots, there's really no need to double up early or at all, just stay ahead of the curve. Let the dumb players kill each other and just play smart. You'll likely make some big laydowns you woulnd't otherwise make because of the format but tournaments, you don't have to be first....just don't be last.

Fish

[c0ckmanchan1]

I win in double or nothings a lot the only problem is it is not worth the time and investment for the payout,I was playing twenty or thirty $10 d or n's and each one would take an hour but I would have like 3 going the only problem was I would win two then lose one or something like that with means if I was playing one at a time it would be 3 hours just to make 10 dollars and I was risking thirty,They are just not worth it imo,But the strat is to play really nitty and tight and get one all in hand that you win