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So george1 is new here and has been a very friendly staker trying to make some money. I have won him a small chunk maybe 60 bucks profit for him. Yet today 10 hours ago we split up our earnings as CONFIRMED in thread. i got $41 and change and he got 90 back or so off my total bankroll, we had one tournament running still for him however in which i won 23.89. So I had about 11 and change of his money, and about 50 of mine, i also won another 30 on parlays. so of the 100 in my account only 1/10 was his.


that being said I played 4 or 5 tournaments tonight, the LAST one being a 6.60 2k r/a, that i entered at 10 pm my time last minute of late reg. george is from another country, so he is not around during this time, but I obviously was playing for my own dime since we split up today and said we were gonna start fresh.


however... after i get 3rd for $218. he comes at me saying hes permanently done staking me because I lied about not playing for him. He claims had i lost the tournament, I would have said it was with the 11 and change i owed him..

why would that make any sense being hes given out over $500 in a few weeks here including staking me a few times now and I want to make a good staker/horse relationship.

U guys who know me know that im always on the GRIND for stakers and we finally get one and yet i find a way to piss him off lol.

Sorry George but even though your mad and pretty much threatened to never stake me again, I do not see any way possible that u would get a cut here unless I gave it to you as collateral for future stakes which Im not willing to do.

I did not lie to you, if this was staked, you would have got your cut. I won over $600 for people here that bought shares. a dozen of them and they all got their payment.


im not greedy or a liar such as you have said.


IM sorry that you feel that way :(



what do u all think?

why didnt you just ship him the money as soon as u placed in the tourney...that way it would have showed in the transfer history that the $11 or so was shipped before you entered into the 2K game meaning that it would have proved you were playing with ya own dime

not saying ure lying saying that you could have easily avoided this situation

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Originally Posted by dpadgett1

So george1 is new here and has been a very friendly staker trying to make some money. I have won him a small chunk maybe 60 bucks profit for him. Yet today 10 hours ago we split up our earnings as CONFIRMED in thread. i got $41 and change and he got 90 back or so off my total bankroll, we had one tournament running still for him however in which i won 23.89. So I had about 11 and change of his money, and about 50 of mine, i also won another 30 on parlays. so of the 100 in my account only 1/10 was his.


that being said I played 4 or 5 tournaments tonight, the LAST one being a 6.60 2k r/a, that i entered at 10 pm my time last minute of late reg. george is from another country, so he is not around during this time, but I obviously was playing for my own dime since we split up today and said we were gonna start fresh.


however... after i get 3rd for $218. he comes at me saying hes permanently done staking me because I lied about not playing for him. He claims had i lost the tournament, I would have said it was with the 11 and change i owed him..

why would that make any sense being hes given out over $500 in a few weeks here including staking me a few times now and I want to make a good staker/horse relationship.

U guys who know me know that im always on the GRIND for stakers and we finally get one and yet i find a way to piss him off lol.

Sorry George but even though your mad and pretty much threatened to never stake me again, I do not see any way possible that u would get a cut here unless I gave it to you as collateral for future stakes which Im not willing to do.

I did not lie to you, if this was staked, you would have got your cut. I won over $600 for people here that bought shares. a dozen of them and they all got their payment.


im not greedy or a liar such as you have said.


IM sorry that you feel that way :(



what do u all think?

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Oh just saw this post.
Things are easy to understand for a staker. We split some earnings and you been playing for us the tournament where you won 23$ its ok untill now.beeing staked and still having money in your account means you have to play for me (as i said and i repeat if you would lost you would said today that you played a tournament for us from that 23$ and we lost...so no big deal for you. Now that you cashed there you say you played from your own money. Ethically you are very wrong and you said on bubble that you played for us some tournaments 1 day before without even asking me(some satelites wich i hate ).
So my conclusion is:
1. How come you played with your own money when you told me you`ll get it sold because you have to get gas?
2. 2 days ago you played satelites AND LOST without my permission and i WASNT MAD AT ALL.
3. You had 23$ from OUR bankroll and you decided to play with YOUR money.

As i said on the bubble i`m not mad. I just hate to be a donk in front of everyone. you won 200$ congratulations.If people here will say you are right then you maybe are but i know psihology better than most of the people here and i know exactly what your plan was last night. With these said , thank you for shipping me 12$ and good luck playing poker. Our staker/horse relationship ended here. i cant trust you anymore.
AND btw, i didnt even wanted to make this public but you did it probably you been affraid that i`ll start threads here and acusations. I`m not that kind of person

Just a question, and this is because I was told earlier in the night by dpad (we talk on bubble all the time), that you were allowing him to play tourneys $5.50 and under, no sattys. Just wanted to know if these were the terms, and if not what were the terms? If these were the terms that means this couldn't have been part of the stake and would have to be out of his own BR, with or without profit, if he lost there is no way you should let him say that came out of stake money if the tourney BI was over agreed terms, like I said just a question.

Both of you are cool people in my book. Dont have a side on who I think is right or wrong until this question is answered, but even then I wont really care, gl to you both.

Also was the stake to run one more certain tourney or to keep grinding the aid BI levels in the terms? (When he had won the last $20+ dollars after shipping first cut)

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Originally Posted by LCDaBoss

Just a question, and this is because I was told earlier in the night by dpad (we talk on bubble all the time), that you were allowing him to play tourneys $5.50 and under, no sattys. Just wanted to know if these were the terms, and if not what were the terms? If these were the terms that means this couldn't have been part of the stake and would have to be out of his own BR, with or without profit, if he lost there is no way you should let him say that came out of stake money if the tourney BI was over agreed terms, like I said just a question.


Both of you are cool people in my book. Dont have a side on who I think is right or wrong until this question is answered, but even then I wont really care, gl to you both.

Also was the stake to run one more certain tourney or to keep grinding the aid BI levels in the terms? (When he had won the last $20+ dollars after shipping first cut)

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He played whatever he wanted always . I just didnt let him play the 109$ tournament. Gave him freedom he asked me if he can play tournaments and i said yes and i said he can play over 5$ too, he played satelites with bigger BI than this one . And i know he played with money from my stake but the problem is he wont ever say i`m right because he is happy with that 200$. I told him to keep it anyway. i can lose 100$ on a hand . The problem here (if any) is the trust .

see this staking deal seems odd, because there is so much "freedom" and because ure so laid back its gunna cause issues, imo if he went out of the terms (played in games you didnt give him permission for the satties etc) then he should at least ship u the money for the BI of those sattys and the staking agreement should have ended there

this could of/should of been handled much better

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Originally Posted by azreal1

see this staking deal seems odd, because there is so much "freedom" and because ure so laid back its gunna cause issues, imo if he went out of the terms (played in games you didnt give him permission for the satties etc) then he should at least ship u the money for the BI of those sattys and the staking agreement should have ended there . And actually he said he plays from my money lol but he wont admit it :)

this could of/should of been handled much better

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Well i been superficial in staking terms here because i want to see actually who i can trust and who i cant. I never wanted to put pressure on my players From now on when i`ll stake someone i`ll put clear rules. who cant respect them wont be my horse

I feel lied to by the "MUST READ" in the title ;)

This is kinda different than most situations because it's a longer term staking agreement than usual. Hope you two resolve it.

Tyga - Bitch Betta Have My Money ft. YG & Kurupt (Official Video) - YouTube lol :)

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Its a gray area. Imo dpad is 100% saying its his own money after winning. Question is would he have claimed it was a stake if he lost?? My gut says he does, cant prove it tho so will never know.

yeah like azzreal said it seems like the terms would a little confusing. not sure who is right in this. Maybe I'm not fully understanding here, but all the times iv'e staked dpad i've never had a problem with not getting my cut or not getting paid back. Hope u guys can work it out. Have a good one

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Originally Posted by Prawney

Its a gray area. Imo dpad is 100% saying its his own money after winning. Question is would he have claimed it was a stake if he lost?? My gut says he does, cant prove it tho so will never know.

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He played 2 days from my money and still had money from my stake after wining the 23$ why would he play from his money while he still has 23$? And why would he say to someone that he plays for me(last night).
As you say Prawney he would definetly say that. why would he lose his own money when he can lose mine? Never wanted to make this thread public anyway, because i explained him and told him to just keep the money but its about trust and beeing a man .

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Originally Posted by george1

Well i been superficial in staking terms here because i want to see actually who i can trust and who i cant. I never wanted to put pressure on my players From now on when i`ll stake someone i`ll put clear rules. who cant respect them wont be my horse

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bad business model, you dont rely on trust in business you rely on contract terms and agreements, ALWAYS have clear rules ALWAYS be firm with the stakees, the end of the day they are playing with YOUR money and it is your responsibility to protect that investment

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Originally Posted by george1

He played 2 days from my money and still had money from my stake after wining the 23$ why would he play from his money while he still has 23$? And why would he say to someone that he plays for me(last night).
As you say Prawney he would definetly say that. why would he lose his own money when he can lose mine? Never wanted to make this thread public anyway, because i explained him and told him to just keep the money but its about trust and beeing a man .

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because he can...because the terms of the agreement were so loose because hes out to make a buck like we all are, as i said in my first post to avoid this he should of shipped you the $11 or whatever it was straight away if the deal was concluded...you dont need to be online to recieve the money and it would of been timestamped

Another thing is i`m the newest guy here. So no friends at my side lol :) But i can see people here are honest and cool even if they are friends with dpad.

I read the thread last night where you said that you were going to split up the money and start fresh tomorrow so that would lead me to believe that anything Dpad played after that thread but before you guys talked today would have been from his own roll, so that leads me to lean Dpads way. BUT also if this was the only tourney in which you used your own bankroll that would lean me georges way so im kinda up in the air lol. could you have played this tourney without the profit you made from his stakes? if not maybe you could ship him 10% just to smooth things out.

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Originally Posted by george1

Another thing is i`m the newest guy here. So no friends at my side lol :) But i can see people here are honest and cool even if they are friends with dpad.

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hw new you are is irrelivant in most cases, this is a simple misunderstanding as opposed to a flat out scam and its about seeing both sides to a "story" you were both at fault, you are both dumbasses but you both made some $$$

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Originally Posted by azreal1

bad business model, you dont rely on trust in business you rely on contract terms and agreements, ALWAYS have clear rules ALWAYS be firm with the stakees, the end of the day they are playing with YOUR money and it is your responsibility to protect that investment


because he can...because the terms of the agreement were so loose because hes out to make a buck like we all are, as i said in my first post to avoid this he should of shipped you the $11 or whatever it was straight away if the deal was concluded...you dont need to be online to recieve the money and it would of been timestamped

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In poker staking no contract will help you if the horse wants to run with your money he will do it and you cant do anything. so i still say its all about a trust relationship.When i spoke with him he said he was confuse and didnt knew what to say . Anyway i dont even understand why he put this public. Someone told me he confirmed he played the 1k for me and he will play more for me after cashed in . So what else can i say? now he says he played from his money. what can i do except not trusting him anymore? I learned my lesson . If he would lose he would post in my staking thread saying a bad beat hit and he lost :). He said he shipped me half of the earnings and i said i dont need it and i`ll ship it back to him and he then " talked with a chat operator and told him to stop the transfer" .

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Originally Posted by azreal1

hw new you are is irrelivant in most cases, this is a simple misunderstanding as opposed to a flat out scam and its about seeing both sides to a "story" you were both at fault, you are both dumbasses but you both made some $$$

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I`m sure i`m not a dumbass since i run my own business offline and have 30 people working for me. As i said i dont care if he won but he could at least admit it. he posted this thread because he was thinking i`m desperate and i`ll start myself a thread and acuse him ..thing that wont happen from my side untill its a bigger scam .Lets see where will be dpad in 1-2 weeks

don't take the dumbass remark personal. Just in future make sure u have the terms set in stone and that both partys fully understand what's going on. I'm sure this wont happen in the future. again I hope u guys get it worked out and can put this behind u.

I think the thing some are missing is george knows the terms were loose and is not disputing this. He is only responding here because the thread was made, he was just cutting his losses and moving on.
Good luck george.

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Originally Posted by george1

Oh just saw this post.
beeing staked and still having money in your account means you have to play for me

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Not true. That money was supposed to be shipped to you after the tournament was finished. Not to be used in another tournament. Unless you specifically asked him to use it in a tournament, did you?

Its quite a little thing really, neither side can prove anything. As long as he has been making profit for you, why complain?

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Originally Posted by MovingFlea

Not true. That money was supposed to be shipped to you after the tournament was finished. Not to be used in another tournament. Unless you specifically asked him to use it in a tournament, did you?

Its quite a little thing really, neither side can prove anything. As long as he has been making profit for you, why complain?

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When i staked him he played sng`s then asked to play mtts and gave him freedom to play anything that fits our budget except the 109$ tournament. I repeat i dont care about the money

The money from the 1k yesterday he clearly told me not to use until today. The 11 bucks i owed him would have been shipped but i was going to add it to todays bankroll. He told me we would be doing this every day. And the MINUTE i WIN some money for him he decides to end it. Thats some selfish ass shit right there! I dont care how much money the guy has, if he cant see a winning player then he can SMD!

he called me a liar and so are half of you mfkers in this thread. Thats chill though, every single one of you can fk off, see if i ever talk to any of you idiots again

plus i offered to pay him the 50 percent cut immediately last night in fact i already shipped the $110 dollars and then he told me to cancel it.

nobody else here would ever offer to ship half their bankroll to a staker when the game they played was on their own dime.

but i was willin to do this at first to save my staking, but fuck that, my prides more important!

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Originally Posted by dpadgett1

The money from the 1k yesterday he clearly told me not to use until today. The 11 bucks i owed him would have been shipped but i was going to add it to todays bankroll. He told me we would be doing this every day. And the MINUTE i WIN some money for him he decides to end it. Thats some selfish ass shit right there! I dont care how much money the guy has, if he cant see a winning player then he can SMD!

he called me a liar and so are half of you mfkers in this thread. Thats chill though, every single one of you can fk off, see if i ever talk to any of you idiots again

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Going off my comment in this thread, im going to just assume thats not towards me?

once again dpad u fly off the handle for no reason, most of these comments are siding with you, so WHY are u attacking i dont get it... all we have said is the terms for the stake were grey at best, and that it could of been handled diff...is it selfish for him to decide not to trade/stake you again maybe but it is after all HIS money he can do what he likes with it he doesnt owe you anything :|

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Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

I think the thing some are missing is george knows the terms were loose and is not disputing this. He is only responding here because the thread was made, he was just cutting his losses and moving on.
Good luck george.

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what a loser!!!!!!!


LOSSES??????????


the dude WON almost $100 from me. and thanks for tellin him good luck and not me,


u and prawney can both burn as far as i care, done with the both of you. period

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Originally Posted by dpadgett1

what a loser!!!!!!!


LOSSES??????????


the dude WON almost $100 from me. and thanks for tellin him good luck and not me,


u and prawney can both burn as far as i care, done with the both of you. period

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you need to put the comment into perspective, I was clearing up what george was saying for azreal and newdaddy as they seemed to keep focused that his terms were too loose.

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translation ladies and gentlemen is simply this "why didnt you side with me you bastards im right rawrrrrrr

I will post one more time here and i`m done. We just had some conversation on bubble now.Acuse me of anything i`m done staking dpadgett1 . he started to talk trashy with me.Just to show you guys how Dpadget11 is talking i made a print screen . YES exactly me that i supposed to give him money to play after begging me desperately everyday for another chance after losing some MTT`s for me(you deserve the truth)
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Also below i`ll post another picture with a confirmation that he is a thief and a liar(i wonder why nobody observes how defensive you became) its 200$ you won boy, its not 1 milion :). We will see who comes and beggs for stakes here very soon.And no! i`m not arrogant i`m stupid for not checking your history here. it seems you had 1 milion problems and been warned about you by so manny guys here.
I hope tommy wont be mad on me but i have to do it because i really dont want to let this case unsolved.Here is a proof (he discussed with tommy last night).Attachment 2364

With all these said never contact me again in your life.When a person acts like you its clear that he lies :)

I will post one more time here and i`m done. We just had some conversation on bubble now.Acuse me of anything i`m done staking dpadgett1 . he started to talk trashy with me.Just to show you guys how Dpadget11 is talking i made a print screen . YES exactly me that i supposed to give him money to play after begging me desperately everyday for another chance after losing some MTT`s for me(you deserve the truth)
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Also below i`ll post another picture with a confirmation that he is a thief and a liar(i wonder why nobody observes how defensive you became) its 200$ you won boy, its not 1 milion :). We will see who comes and beggs for stakes here very soon.And no! i`m not arrogant i`m stupid for not checking your history here. it seems you had 1 milion problems and been warned about you by so manny guys here.
I hope tommy wont be mad on me but i have to do it because i really dont want to let this case unsolved.Here is a proof (he discussed with tommy last night).Attachment 2364

With all these said never contact me again in your life.When a person acts like you its clear that he lies :)

My discussion with tommy few hours ago.
His vocabulary!

With these said you guys take conclusions.

this is a joke, u cant even read it, and i didnt lie about anything

tommys lyin i just callled his cell phone and he wont answer, what a little PUNK he got mad u told him he wasnt gonna get any more stakes


I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS NOT PLAYING FOR U

cant read it...so untill you show clear proof id be ez

tommy just got a piece of my fuckin mind on his voicemail, why dont u and him go blow each other u should keep staking him isntead i bet you guys will win a ton of money lmao'


this sites full of a bunch of losers and assholes

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Originally Posted by dpadgett1

this is a joke, u cant even read it, and i didnt lie about anything

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Remember when you been begging and you telling me to ask tommy? I never told tommy i wont stake him. i actually i told him i`ll do but i got some of my bcp cash turned into bitcoin(i dont even know why i`m giving you explanations).How can you talk like that about a FRIEND? 200$ made you lose your mind buddy.you tell me on private that i`m a trash but i guess people know who the real trash is.
A lot of players here told me not to stake you. if they read this and have balls i hope they will reply.You made all this shit public . As i said i never wanted to post this but you did it probably beeing scared that i`ll move first.
SORRY TOMMY!

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Originally Posted by dpadgett1

tommy just got a piece of my fuckin mind on his voicemail, why dont u and him go blow each other u should keep staking him isntead i bet you guys will win a ton of money lmao'


this sites full of a bunch of losers and assholes

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Why dont you close your account then why are you doing here? begging at losers and assholes?

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Originally Posted by george1

remember when you been begging and you telling me to ask tommy? I never told tommy i wont stake him. I actually i told him i`ll do but i got some of my bcp cash turned into bitcoin(i dont even know why i`m giving you explanations).how can you talk like that about a friend? 200$ made you lose your mind buddy.you tell me on private that i`m a trash but i guess people know who the real trash is.
A lot of players here told me not to stake you. If they read this and have balls i hope they will reply.you made all this shit public . As i said i never wanted to post this but you did it probably beeing scared that i`ll move first.
Sorry tommy!

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you both can smd and go have some man love together

tommy aint my friend no fkn more for lying and bein a dick just like u

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Originally Posted by george1

Why dont you close your account then why are you doing here? begging at losers and assholes?

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what are u doing here you dumb POS?

im here because i HAVE FRIENDS HERE