HAND SCENARIO Vol. I

[JoeSchmo]

After talkin to mich in chat n finding out that BB has a similar sized stack as UTG shover id probly be leaning more to the side of the fold.

[Sharking]

Mich is my math off? 6575(current pot)/3675(what he has to call) is 1.789. That means he is getting 1.789 to 1. To convert this to a percentage it is 1 / (1 + 1.789) = 35.8%. Which is the same as 3675/10250 = 35.8%. Am I calculating this wrong? I just read a lot of forums discussion if you add your bet to the pot or not when calculating pot odds and their seems to be mixed responses.

[MichMan]

Mich is my math off? 6575(current pot)/3675(what he has to call) is 1.789. That means he is getting 1.789 to 1. To convert this to a percentage it is 1 / (1 + 1.789) = 35.8%. Which is the same as 3675/10250 = 35.8%. Am I calculating this wrong? I just read a lot of forums discussion if you add your bet to the pot or not when calculating pot odds and their seems to be mixed responses.

The pot odds would be 3675/6575, not the other way around.... you're inadvertently inflating the odds. He has to put in 3675 to win 6575, if you say he has to put it 3675 to win 10250, then you are counting the 3675 twice. Simplified, say the pot is 10, and you have to call 1, your odds are 10 to 1, not 11 to 1.

Basically, he has to call 55% of the pot, with an 11% chance to win. And Zero implied odds.

[Drywallman3]

I like how you 2 can debate without drawing blood, I wish more threads here could be like this one. Great thread great responses.

[azreal1]

its a straight up fold id rather blind out that play 72 off, id feel so dirty afterward if i won the hand, that being said i have been tempted if im a bag stack to possibly call with any 2 just to try and get lucky and knock the guy out, but when im short stack, nope its a no brainer

[Drywallman3]

Ok, if I was dealt Q-Q and the table folded but 1 player holding 2-7 I want that call all day and night, unfortunate you ran into a 4 card flush if I read this right.

[azreal1]

Ok, if I was dealt Q-Q and the table folded but 1 player holding 2-7 I want that call all day and night, unfortunate you ran into a 4 card flush if I read this right.

dude u fail on so many levels right now

what hes asking for is what you would do if your in the guys shoes with 72o would you have called mich mans shove or folded

[Drywallman3]

dude u fail on so many levels right now

what hes asking for is what you would do if your in the guys shoes with 72o would you have called mich mans shove or folded

you are right, my bad. Now if I was super drunk and had 1 player to play and I am holding 7-2o , I still could not find the power to call it. Now I have seen at least 4 players here who I won't mention play the most god awful hands like this one and destroy players from the start.

[Sharking]

If you are facing a bet of 250 into a pot of 750 you are getting 3:1 odds correct? 750:250 is 3:1. Similar to how 6575:3675 is 1.79:1. Now 3 to 1 odds is 1/(3+1) = 25%. If your pot odds are 25% and your chance of making your hand is 25% then when you put 250 into a 750 pot you will break even in the long run. If you put 250 into the pot 4 times. you will lose 250 3 times and profit 750 (1000-250) 1 time. That means 3:1 is indeed 25% pot odds. Using this same math for your hand 6575:3675 is 1.79 to 1. 1/(1.79 +1) is 35.8%.

[JoeSchmo]

Mich is my math off? 6575(current pot)/3675(what he has to call) is 1.789. That means he is getting 1.789 to 1. To convert this to a percentage it is 1 / (1 + 1.789) = 35.8%. Which is the same as 3675/10250 = 35.8%. Am I calculating this wrong? I just read a lot of forums discussion if you add your bet to the pot or not when calculating pot odds and their seems to be mixed responses.

No shark, to figure pot odds u take whats in the pot already(whether theyre ur chips that u raised into a pot or not that someone shipped over) n divide that by what it is for u to call so in this case, 6575(whats in the pot n he can win)/3675(what he has to call)=1.8:1.

Its when u raise PF then theres a reraise/ship behind u that u count what uve already got in the middle of the pot. For example, blinds 500/1000 w/50 antes n 8 players so 1900 total even before any action is taken. You raise to 2K in MP(3900 total now) BTN ships for 6000(9900 now in pot). So to figure pot odds u would take whats in the middle(500+1000+400+2000+6000) 9900 n divide that by the 4000 that u need to call. So 9900/4000=2.5:1.

Does that help at all or do we need to try this again?haha.