Copy the conversation, let me know. I will ban those accounts period, end of statements.
The scamming stops now.. No exceptions
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Copy the conversation, let me know. I will ban those accounts period, end of statements.
The scamming stops now.. No exceptions
you also need to take the same stance on default accounts. Ban them from all forum activity until they personally settle up their obligations and debts with you Zab. Then you can delegate where those points need to go to/whom.
I like your politics sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by tp3rd
Zab, good work.
When they are in default the person who loaned does get insurance, and can debt collect, the defaulter does not qualify for any of the progressive promotions.
those promotions are not enough of a deterrent!! Have some balls and block them from all forum related activity til settled!! That default list is a joke and makes the site look bad. If you were serious about cleaning it up you could,and would, 'nuff said!!
yes yes yes, ban them scammers and beggers. Make PO free of scammers
That is how we did have it, and we had to let those in default have access to market because that is the only way they can buy points to pay off their loans.
They are blocked from client as well.
theres 400 names on wall of shame list.....looks like what your'e doing is working well!! LOL... get seriois about it already,,,anything else is a rubbish excuse!!
So they cannot use client or qualify for any promotions, what else exactly are you looking to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by tp3rd
Those names on the wall of shame lose access to every promo on this site. Aswell as having to pay an extra 15 pts per coupon that goes directly to the person they owe. Not to mention they can be debt collected any time they have points by the person they owe.Quote:
Originally Posted by tp3rd
There has been alot of examples of people that were on wall of shame for like 3+ months coming back and paying off their debt. Your idea of nuking all of them means that all the debts will be lost.
Sure i do agree that there might be some flaws in the way we do it, but there is also flaws in just getting rid of them. This is an issue that gets discussed ad nauseam and what we do atm is what seems to work best.
90 day grace...if you dont get current complete ban...otherwise you dont need them here at all!! and if they want back,they need to figure out a way to settle outside of the site/forum.
400 names of debt doesnt seem like many take the oppurtunity to settle...if youre a standup person you will settle within 90 days..otherwise good riddance!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Prawney
As far as default goes, I do a lot of loans and I'm happy with the system. I actually have had people come back months later and pay off debts. Shit happens, PO is not a priority to everyone, but going into default is nowhere near the same level as scamming. Even if someone plans on cutting and running on a loan, if they come back and play in freerolls they are automatically charged extra to pay back part of their loan. It's a system designed to keep people from disappearing so that the loans actually get paid back. Of course to keep multi-accounters from abusing this system I believe new players should have to do a phone verification before being allowed to use the marketplace or loan shark.
ohhhh shittttt.... shits about to go down!
i agreee here too !, ive had poeple come back and pay off loans n shark a few months down line too... sone had to leave for good reasons,but still came back eventually and soorted it all outQuote:
Originally Posted by rghy2
i get bubble messages from ppl ive never heard of asking me to loan them in marketplace i always tell them no because of all the scams going on for points and money kind of weird though
And this is EXACTLY what we are trying to get rid of - some are established members, some are banned/disgraced members under new names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Any2WillDo
you're gonna find some flaws in every system. just keep up what your doing i say. It's been nice to have all the drama in chat also. so much better
Ahhhhh, now I might start answering those bubble chats I get that start with yo, sup, whatsup, from people I never chat with. In the past I knew any response elicited a request for something, stake, loan, wants points for tournament. Now I will answer them and ship name with begging approach to Zab :)
dude i get where you are coming from but the issue here isnt the defaulters, its the scammers and people that default through the loan shark are an annoyance at most because you are GTD to get the points owed to you back minus the interest...and until the interest is paid they stay in default, and i for one like the fact that there are 400 people on that list that cannot win B2B that cannot with grinder, that cannot win any high hand pools etc etc etc, its better for us honest members as it means there is a good chance the prizepool will increase and make us more money in the long run, they also cannot ask for more than one loan at a time and if they start asking for market place loans because they are in default they are less likely to get it....Quote:
Originally Posted by tp3rd
in conclusion focus on the real issue, the issue of old/known scammers making new accounts and trying to get shit outside of the system in place which is what zab is doing
lol you need to keep that secret!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by azreal1
Bad place to make first post I know, i'm sure to get to intro post soon (been thread deep educating myself how the site works) but wanted to post an opinion on a current issue that I have had years experience with (used to run a staking site, I'm sure I'll be soap boxing these topics once in awhile lol). The site I ran had its policy for first 2 years, starting from the previous owner, insta-ban all rollers, no matter how big or small. First superficial problem is that slows growth exponentially, second misunderstandings would happen (went to bed after late game, woke up banned for appearing to roll), and most important, GUARANTEED loss of money. Only after a year of convincing from my mods did we change policy and put on severe restriction the players accounts instead, did we start getting paybacks and much happier members about removing the Nazi-bans. Big props to Zab for a good system setup, at least from first impression
Simple method of not getting scammed. Don't get scammed
This is what I have so far:
Marketplace Anti- Scam Upgrade
• All trades (Outside the marketplace) to be posted using a new form (Which will be posted in the Marketplace new upgrade area) *** Warning *** If you do NOT use this form when trading outside of the marketplace, DO NOT COMPLAIN IF YOU GET SCAMMED. I WILL NOT HELP YOU
• Form will include: Other party trading with, terms, how each party intends to get paid, length of payment
• When you submit the form, both parties MUST view the form and click “I Accept”
• From the form, you will be able to see all the background information on each user. This will give new users a chance to see who they are dealing with.
• You will have the option to verify yourself (Phone Verification which is free or the ID verification which will cost 1000-1500 points). The idea is, if you are trading with someone, you might force them to get verified first.
• You will be able to leave “Outside the marketplace” feedback on people
• If there’s any issues with you (Scamming or anything), you will lose your ability to use this form, loan shark, marketplace, poker client, all promotions until you repay your debt. Any new or old accounts associated with a ‘tainted account’ will be under the same punishment. (Mods will be able to send these users to this new account status
• Force users to read a thread (Or agree) at least 1 time or once a month.
• Banner for new users (Warnings) This banner will stay active for a period of 1-2 months. Basically tells all new users (Reminds them) to use the form, check background on people, don't release pts early etc..
• I’ve been scammed (Fill out a form.. by who, circumstances etc..) only the person who has been accused can respond. This shows up on the background check (Scam Charges). List that shows all previous scams (So we can keep track of all scams, sort by date, user). Admin can change the status of the scam to: Resolved by all parties (Won’t show up on background check or list for users, only Mods and Admins), Open (Scammer didn’t respond), Closed (Mods \ Admin determined it was a scam). If you have been determined to scam, you will lose all your chat, posting, bubble abilities until you make the other party whole again and repay your debts.
The "I've been scammed" form will likely be a separate upgrade.
Nice work in progress Zab.
Mostly good...one thing I'd like to change:
"I’ve been scammed (Fill out a form.. by who, circumstances etc..) only the person who has been accused can respond. This shows up on the background check (Scam Charges). List that shows all previous scams (So we can keep track of all scams, sort by date, user). Admin can change the status of the scam to: Resolved by all parties (Won’t show up on background check or list for users, only Mods and Admins), Open (Scammer didn’t respond), Closed (Mods \ Admin determined it was a scam). If you have been determined to scam, you will lose all your chat, posting, bubble abilities until you make the other party whole again and repay your debts."
I don't think people that scam once should be eligible for any of these things, at least not immediately.
Maybe we need to implement a "rehabilitation system" where if the user is A. Clear of all debt and B. Scam free for x amount of months they are able to use the site at it's fullest.
If you scam once, you don't get access to anything.. Not bubble chat, not promotions.. nothing.. You can still earn points (To pay off your debt hopefully)
Maybe we can garnish their points, a small % like we do with the loan shark
out of 400 names there is prolly onlya third of that isactual pp, they make a new account and get you to loan them more.
about the phone verificiation? how does this work, a friend of mine that is unfairly beign criticized as being me, which he isnt obv, was given a phone verification, he said poffycalled him and she said he wasstill lying. idk the whole story but he was pretty upset about the whole thing and was perma banned because they think that theperson is me.. why i haveno fucing clueQuote:
Originally Posted by Zab
Just stop...seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigphatmike
I'm gonna start bumping this periodically - a few people are using bubble chat to ask for trades/stakes to people they don't know (ex. Hey, I need BCP for GDMP? You send first).
By our rules, this is call for a permaban (consult the top of the thread) - if someone does this, tell an active mod IMMEDIATELY and it will be remedied.
seems like rivdee has the scammers under control!! go rivdee!!!! great job, keep up the good work!!
I have to say the dedication to anti scamming on this site seems top notch. even to the point of preventing newer players like myself to have to be vigilant to prove their worth as a positive member of the site.
yes it was annoying to have to verify multiple times within a week but now that the mods know im not a bad guy I feel comfortable trading points/funds with members and not being scammed
the problem with that is if i am looking for bcp for gdmp i will want someone i dont know to send first so even if i had no intention of scamming that is probably what i would say. so next time i have netspend and im looking to but bcp, how should i approach it?Quote:
Originally Posted by rivdee
the little bubble thing that comes up in the corner when i first log in says that asking for someone to release before the money comes through was cause for perman i dont think it says anything about sending first. i mean some one has to send first in a trade like that so whoever asks the other to send first is at risk for getting banned?