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  1. #11
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    i agree with steph nicely said

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    Elite PokerOwned Member bishking's Avatar
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    People that disagree are obviously using one.

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    i dont use them but i thought about it..i dont see why its cheating unless you can see the players hold cards, or you colluding with anohter player or skyping with a player telling them what you have.just my opnion..

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    i THINK IF U NEED A PROGRAM U HAVE NO SKILLS AND NEED TO NOT EVEN PLAY POKER!
    FORGIVENESS IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER!THATS RIGHT THE KING IS BACK AND THIS TIME FOR GOOD SO DONT GET COMFORTABLE ,YOU BETTER PLAY TIGHTER.

  5. #15
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    If the site says in their TOS you can't use them (HUDs) then you are cheating ... if its allowed, its not cheating .... simple as that.

    Whether you choose to use the tool or not is a personal decision.

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    i dont think a database to help keep statistics is cheating, but any program that tells you your next hand and stuff like that is def. cheating.
    Dactal13

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    It is cheating and it was used to cheat isildur out of millions. too bad he had to give him his money back huh... people defending it are obviously using them. so sad really!!They arent that accurate anyways. I seen one once and at 2 different sites it said i was basically 2 different players at one i was rock solid and at another it said i was a timid mouse LMFAo thats hilarious!!! I can see being able to use notes even tho u cant use these at a casino but with online there are so many more then at most live events. Live you keep mental notes and ur at the same table with same people for a while. Huds and such have NO BUSINESS in the online poker world..
    Failing to Prepare is Preparing to fail : John Wooden

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    If it is allowed by the sites, then it is not cheating imo

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    just play poker
    notes are ok
    never used any programs to technical anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmeelneg View Post
    If the site says in their TOS you can't use them (HUDs) then you are cheating ... if its allowed, its not cheating .... simple as that.

    Whether you choose to use the tool or not is a personal decision.
    ^^^ this basically

    and no i dont use them id find it off putting tbh i keep all the notes i "make" in my head afterall having a good memory is part and parcel of playing poker but yeh back on topic IF its in the TOS that its not allowed then of course its cheating otherwise its fair game i guess

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