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    Macropoker disclosed player's collusion in Microgaming 50000$ SNG promotion


    At the end of April, poker rooms were flooded with angry players who were talking about a scam on Microgaming. User "dbuk1" started a thread on the highstakesdb.com forum. He became the victim of scammers, who seized 12 000 euros. Recently D.Bull (dbuk1) requested Microgaming to provide him some statistical data.

    The letter he sent is as follows:

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    SIT AND COLLUSION PLEASE READ

    The players alias on microgaming are all suspected/confirmed by 24 hour poker as collusion cheats.

    gisemvan
    rimro3s
    33parrots
    maratGleb
    popvita1
    artturq
    SinVillage
    SotVanNuc
    1vilkone
    Ask4Me

    Your site has shown that they were all playing the same stakes at the same time at the end of march. They were manipulating their finishing postions so they could top a sng challenge leaderboard. This is cheating. Can you confirm that these players were all playing the same sit and goes together using your tracking software.

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    As it can be seen, dbuk1 accused players of participating in team play. He came to a conclusion that several poker players registered on the same S&G tournaments, shared information about hands and dumped chips to each other.

    Macropoker was the only one site where it was possible to see the results of suspected players. Other poker stats websites closed stats of the players for unknown reasons.

    Here are the results of our investigation:



    The legend:

    Figures - the player participated in tournaments and finished in the money
    Black color - the player participated in tournaments but didn?t finish in the money

    The list of all suspected players with stats:

    — gisemvan (played the 11€ streak)
    — rimro3s
    — popvita1
    — maratGleb (played the 11€ streak)
    — 33parrots (played the 11€ streak)
    — artturq (switches limits with 33parrots as soon as he had the 5€ streak in his bag)
    — SinVillage (played the 11€ streak)
    — SotVanNuc (played the 11€ streak)
    — 1vilkone (played the 11€ streak)
    — Ask4Me (played the 11€ streak)


    Between 27th March and 1st April (suspected players have played neither before nor after) one or more of the suspected players played in 224 S&G tournaments. Most tourneys (147) had 2 or more suspected players sign up. Most tournaments were 9-max, but roughly 20% of S&G were 6-max.

    You can see from the table (tournaments are sorted by date from the left to the right) that the quantity of the players who played tournaments together was constantly increasing. This is one of the most important proofs of cheating. Player “atturq” started playing by himself. Then he was joined by other suspicious players. 31st March – 1st April 8 users from the list registered on the same tournaments (well, there was no need to occupy all 9 seats).

    Here’s another interesting fact: rimro3s and popvita1 played together for 40 tournaments in a row (6-max S&G). They finished 1st and 2nd on 30 of those tournaments. Something like that can’t really be explained with wonderful upstreak. We believe that they used team play to gain an advantage. Even when they didn’t finish in the money, 1st or 2nd place were grabbed by another suspicious player – rimro3s.

    It is clear that in the very beginning the cheaters were able to try different schemes. They probably wanted to find the best possible way to cheat. However, their opponents suffered heavily. The overall buy-in cost for tournaments affected exceeded 10 000 euros! Cheaters were unable to finish in Top-2 on just 2 out of 147 tournaments.

    Dbuk1 and other active forum users made this scam evident. We are pleased that Microgaming admitted cheating and paid the victims the money promised. We hope that this fact was revealed by security service of Microgaming. However, the activity of dbuk1 and other users of highstakesdb, 2+2 and other forums contributed to speeding up the process.

    Therefore, we ask that you tell us about any suspicious facts and start new threads on poker forums should you encounter a situation like this one. You will help the poker community to reveal cheaters. Macropoker.com is always ready to help in providing poker stats. We don’t tolerate any scammers or bots either.

    Original article is here http://macropoker.com/grouppost/10989
    Last edited by Macropoker; 06-03-2013 at 07:03 AM.

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    Great job all collusion should be stop when found...

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    Very intriguing article, hopefully it's put to a halt and that is effectively ended.

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    This is what is unfair about the anonymous poker sites. We are supposed to trust they have safeguards in place to prevent cheating.
    What we do know is the sites do not catch the cheaters, the players find them. So if players cannot detect cheating due to anonymity, cheating is not going to get detected.
    Last edited by eberetta1; 06-17-2013 at 01:49 AM.

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    I think you can safely assume that collusion/cheating is rampant at anonymous sites and everywhere else that's not brick and mortar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eberetta1 View Post
    This is what is unfair about the anonymous poker sites. We are supposed to trust they have safeguards in place to prevent cheating.
    What we do know is the sites do not catch the cheaters, the players find them. So if players cannot detect cheating due to anonymity, it is not going to get detected.
    That's actually a really good point. I guess I never thought about that.

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    Collusion happens all time everywhere...... its just not that easy to detect ..... O_o


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    nice post for a first post btw....welcome to PO .......


    In the beginning God said : "The four dimensional divergence of an antisymmetric second rank tensor equals zero", and at once there was light.

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    is there collusion here on po? if so what should zab do.


    This is getting old. Were sick and tired of the Spurs owning us. This is the year we ride up to the challenge, Get the monkey off our back! We Believe GO Dubbssss!!

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    nice post, still incredibly hard to prove, but is nice to see those kind of stats

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