You be the expert! 1-2 cash game

game is 1-2 nl:
i have about $120 to start the hand
5 way raise pot to $10.
Im in early pos with A4 suited, flop comes A48 w/ 2 hearts.
Sb inital raiser checks next guy checks, i make pot sized $25 bet and get called by loose button player w/ over $400.
turn card comes an 8.

WHAT DO YOU DO?

OPTIONS:
1.medium sized bet- tester bet to see if ur still good even tho your flopped 2 pair just got counterfited. if he raises you strongly consider folding, because you are quite sure hes happy with his A10 A9 HAND.
2.Large bet- bet big hoping hes on a pure flush draw
3.check- see what he does and reassess the situation.

I would go with option 3 but tempted to do option 1

5 way pot raised to $10 means $50 is pot bet not $25, but that doesnt matter. Id go with the check because even if he doesnt have the 8 your flop bet is most likely with an A or possibly a flush draw, meaning the 8 is a great card for him to bluff you with and you cant really call.

I think if you check and he has the 8 he will check behind or do a small raise, if he has a flush draw i think he checks behind as betting a flush draw into a paired board is pretty bad. Either way your either getting to see the river for free or real cheap (if you think ur A is good) in which case you can decide what to do on river when it comes.

From what i gather you have what $95 behind and pot is like $100, I really think commiting any money first into the pot on that flop is just kind of hoping for the best. Your only move would be to shove with your stack size in which case you could be drawing to the 2 Aces in the deck. If you bet like $25 again it looks real weak and he prob shoves over you in which case you gotta make a tough decision.

don't quiet understand how the preflop action went but from what i can make out the pot stands at 75 when the turn card comes and it's just you in early pos vs. lag on the button - right? guess it depends on the range you put you opponent on. If you think you he has your ace out kicked with a middle kicked then check as you still have showdown value and can call a reasonable bet - 1/2 pot. Additionally if you think he has 10/9 kicker any river card over a 10 will give obv. give you a chop.

If you put him on a draw then make him pay for it. If you think it's a flush draw then bet for sure - make him pay for the card but gonna have to be a hefty bet obv. not giving him the right price.

Again goes to the read you have on the guy. Is he willing to call a pot sized bet on the flop chasing a flush draw? If he is he's obv. calling for implied odds but not sure how much he can get paid off if he flush does come in on the river as now he has to worry about the paired board.

If you do bet and get called on the turn - alarm bells should be ringing and would check the river hoping for a cheap showdown.

Lastly, just my opinion - your flop bet was too large. Seems like the pot got bloated because of the bet. A 1/2 to 2/3 pot sized bet accomplishes the same thing as the pot sized bet - getting people who have junk to fold and not giving the proper odds to people drawing.

it was pretty close to pot i think the actual raise was about $8 made it $10 for simplicity and the house takes a few bucks. in any case $25 was a large lead bet.
if i check it opens the door for him to bluff. hes described in the scenario as loose so bad play is not in his vocabulary and from what i had seen was quite capable of making a play.
in actual case i did bet another $25 because i thought it would freeze him if he had an A10 A9 type hand. if he raised i was fully ready to fold, but i also wanted to get him to put extra money into the pot if he was drawing against me.
he was drawing and he turned k3 hearts into the winner with a queen on the river

gross - sorry to hear that. but playing ace rags -suited or not - out of position is always dangerous.

btw - thanks for your postings. it makes the forums more useful and enjoyable with post like these!

nothing u could do much after a turn like this

sorry to hear that but I would of bet bigger thinking he was on the draw

option 3 all day, let the loose cannon make the call, more than likely he hit the 8 or has you outkick with a10, aj..etc...

I would go with option 3 den fold

I'm a bit aggressive, so I would say option 1.

I read what happened to you. I still would have made a bet. Probably half pot. If you bet he has to think bout what you have. If he has A 10 he has to worry that you have an 8. If he has A rag he has to worry about you have an Ace and a face card. If he calls or raises then you know he has something going. Its either A and big kicker, an 8 or a flush draw. This allows you to hopefully avoid being hurt by the river.

If you call he has control and can drive you out with anything just by betting.

If it was a/10 or higher would have went in other wise would fold

buddy dont play Ace rag ,i never play them,if i play them i dont play for value,i play for bluff.so dont put your self in these kinds of position

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You're only beating a draw with the 8 coming on the turn. Id check and see what happens. If he bets, id prolly call once and see what happens on the river. It really depends on how he's been playing.

i played cash game only 0.01$-0.02$ and lost about 1 $,probably i'll try biggest cash game

u do what u do and that was fate

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Originally Posted by hadiina

buddy dont play Ace rag ,i never play them,if i play them i dont play for value,i play for bluff.so dont put your self in these kinds of position

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thank you for the terrible advice.

Option 3 then fold. But it seems you dont have enough money behind to play against this drawing big stack - so if you hit what you were looking for on the flop (flush/flush draw with a cheap bet to see turn) great-if not don't chase secondary garbage. If you had $400 and he had $95 worth of risk to you behind him than you could call him down on a crappy draw. Either way you lost a gd gamble here - you will win the next one.

Y'all are a bunch of chickens. Continuation bet here. thats how you assess where he is at...if he re-raises, then you know he hit the 8. if not he will fold or simply call on his flush draw. so i'm gonna say option #2

I have lose a lot money in the cash game hihihihihihihih

Seemed he was just taunting you to raise him big for a gambling session.

I would do option 3.

I would go option 3. Checking here seems like the best bet because the only thing you are ahead of at this point is a draw and you are against a loose opponent who would be glad to gamble. Its a tough break to lose to a flush draw after flopping two pair...

I choose option number one. If he is on a flush draw make him, if he is on a flush draw make him pay to see the river and if he does have trips you can fold after a big raise. I would not give him a free card.

I would go with option 3 but tempted to do option 1

Think this when you want to be shortstacked, this is hander to play with $300.00 max buyin. You can fold it or try isolate the big stack. You should know where your at with a paired board and decent bet.

it was pretty close to pot i think the raise

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Originally Posted by hadiina

buddy dont play Ace rag ,i never play them,if i play them i dont play for value,i play for bluff.so dont put your self in these kinds of position

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Same advice from me as well. Careful with those cards. But considering that you've got so far, go with option 3. :P