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the pokerowned freeroll yesterday had a player who played and raised preflop EVERY hand....this must be the best strategy ive seen so far , because it seemed to work.
i know he cashed but didnt stick around to see if he won.
but seriously isnt this strategy what you do in bingo?
tough to build a decent stack and then have your pocket kings and your entire chip stack donked by this player
sometimes it seems the poker software rewards this kind of play
It doesn't necessarily matter about how many pots you play, in a tournament a GIANT factor is pot control. I play a ridiculous amount of hands and always go deep. Probably 75% of the hands in the first hour. You just have to master pot control and avoiding flips when possible.
I take it you've never heard of smallball poker? I'm guessing, if he was successful, he knew how to fold a big hand if needed, unlike some players, who simply can never walk away from one pair if it's higher than the board.
How'd your KK play out?
I was lucky enough that the poker gods decided to grace me with a player like this that sat down directly to my right a couple weeks ago when I was playing 3/6 live. Once he sat down I refused to leave the game until him and his friend left, sorry hubby. Anyways, he was telling me about some of the big WSOP satellite events he's played in. It sounded like he's even won at least once, but his play was redonkulus. It just tells me aggression will get people farther than passive play. Hopefully most of the time they just give away their chips, but judging by this guy's story and the stats of some of the po players I've labeled donks, being an aggressive donk gets you deep in the occasional tourney. I seriously doubt it's a winning strategy in the long run, but maybe they're on to something.
It is absolutely ESSENTIAL that you put yourself in scenarios where you flip for your tourney life because u needa take a risk to build a huge stack.Quote:
Originally Posted by leexg23
There a lot of morons that play this way. They usually get knocked out though after awhile.
i feel that i play better in cash games using the super hyper aggro strategy lol. idk though it could just be a bunch of luck.
I see this fairly often. I think sometimes it's just boredom on their part, but also they are playing on the general nit quality of most players. It works until they come up against someone who recognizes that style and sets a trap for them
I usually run into them having the big hand when I have dome at my table playing like that. So either they're a genius or I have terrible timing/luck.
i dont believe in playing every hand. rather coming in once or twice with big raise..
If you have such player in your table, you are lucky! All you need to do is polarize hand to take advantage of aggression in every hand played ...
i saw a guy play aggro cards i saw a raise once real cool stories brah
are you talking about me?, because im won the game yerterday and in some hands i was playing very agressive, but not all the time, just when i have potential hands. So, for me is just strategy, but i understand your feeling bro.
I played opposite waited for a good 60% starting hand that didnt come until my relative stack size was to small to see a flop .The big were
raising were had to go all in or fold,Tounament poker you have know how fast blinds go up in order to know how loose or tight to play.
Its sooo funny when you pull an okey doak on a player that is aggressive. I live for it.
While this can be true..sighs my problem is that have already knocked me out with their 8 3 os flopping 2 pairsQuote:
Originally Posted by cubsfan2589
This is absolutely not true. Playing optimally for hours hoping to get it in on a coinflip is not a path to consistent success. In certain situations, you might settle for a flip against the top end of someone's range, but that is generally not the ideal, as, if you are correctly ranging opponents, you will only get it in ahead. You can't always be correct, but most solid players look to AVOID flips for their tourney life.Quote:
Originally Posted by lorenz0wns
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Originally Posted by tex
You guys are missing something fundamental to today's poker. In the early days, nobody was playing much no-limit holdem, so when Doyle's masterpiece came out, he pointed out that playing the top 20% of hands with aggression was a winning strategy against players who played too many hands too passively. Then, the poker boom hit, and everyone did that. Dan Harrington's tournament strat masterpiece Harrington on Holdem then defined a new version of tight aggression, and yet more got on board. But the reality is that winning poker - and Doyle had already pointed this out - is generally more efficient when you play against the grain of the table. So if everyone is tight and aggressive, loose and trappy become the winning strat. But then Negreanu turned the poker world on it's head again, demonstrating a loose aggressive strategy that still generally holds sway over the old-timers and Harringbots, who continue waiting to try to win the occasional big pot vs taking constant stabs at the smaller pots.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2sweet247
Many top players know both styles inside and out, can recognize them, and can attack or defend appropriately. Factor in the ideas that simple math and multitabling have brought to the concept of reducing variance, and you end up with what you are experiencing: players you think that are playing bad that are absolutely crushing tournaments, while you fold and fold and fold waiting for AK or AA to get all your chips in with. By that point, your stack is all but irrelevant to them, if they've built their stacks well. And if they KO early, on the next without a second thought.
I mentioned this once in another thread, how after some instruction from some nosebleed friends I slashed my ITM% almost in half (meaning I cashed much, much less), while blowing my profit through the roof by almost 700% (meaning that when I DID cash, it was very rarely for the minimum, and often in the top 3).
Just some food for thought.
idk, if you wanna have sick scores like shaun deeb you're going to want to take flips for your tourney life to accumulate a big stack :) although you have to take 'em in the right time like in the middle of a tourney, obv not in the beginning because if u win a flip in the beginning you're still nowhere near the FT.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHaversham
http://officialpokerrankings.com/ful...2501E.html?t=3
^that's shaun deebs acc on FTP. as u can see all his major bustouts happen 65% of the time during the middle of a tourney. the reason being he takes those flips in which if he wins it sets up his deep runs to the FT, a crushing 18% which is almost double the average player
Thank you for posting Deeb's stats, but that is not an accurate analysis of how or why he is so successful. Here is a quote from the man himself:Quote:
Originally Posted by lorenz0wns
"I mean, we always talk about the +EV of a hand," the 25-year-old New Yorker said in online vernacular. "Say someone opens [raises], I three[-bet, or reraise], they four-bet [re-reraise]. It would often be right to five-bet, but because it's the main event, if they have [a superior hand] 50-50, you can't make that commitment. Why commit to 50-50 when I can commit one-tenth of my stack to hands I have a better chance of winning?"
While it's true that when he's 50-tabling, he's far more likely to push the edges with a 52/48 edge, that is more a factor of using multi-tabling to reduce variance. But when he's playing one tourney, and for whatever reason that has exceptional importance - like when he is in the main event, or when a freeroller has $0 and is playing for $1 - then taking 50/50's when there will be countless 80/20's in your future is just bad poker.
Coinflips in poker are inevitable, but there are times when you will take one and times when they are to be avoided. This is really a mistake many amateurs make because they simply think in terms of "well, I got my chips in and I wasn't behind." What the pro's understand is controlling the situations in which they are willing to flip. The reason Deeb takes flips in the mid-game is generally because he understands his opponents well enough and knows that they SHOULD be folding if he puts them to that question. And, since many of his opponents now understand that, they will occasionally gamble with him, knowing that their particular skill-sets give them more leverage the longer they are in the tournament. Deeb is not a short-stack player - I've played with him on many occasions, and he is simply one of those who can afford the risk and max out the reward, so he starts taking the risks that you and I might wait until 10-20bbs to risk when he is down to 50-65bbs. In the tournies he plays, that will bust you half the time, but the other half it will give you 100+ bbs. I guarantee you that Shaun would be the first to tell you that he's not looking to flip a coin for 100+ bbs in the middle of a tourney. That's not to say he won't, but it's not generally by his own choice (i.e, he might 5-bet QQ if he's certain his opponent has AK, but if the opponent doesn't let go, Deeb isn't going to give up his aggro image).Quote:
Originally Posted by lorenz0wns
i hate when people do it alot on omline poker
But people who play the tables are easily taken out
There is a reason why you often have to be a nit to win the most at PO and it has to do with the huge ratio of players like this in the field.
Of course, if your table allows you to play differently, then go for it.
I heard a certain person on here a while back say most on here wouldnt know what a GOOD game was if they were in one!!! lol
I have honestly never seen this work for no longer than an hour...... because usually one bad beat leads to demise
aaa well jus cause donks get rewarded doesnt mean we have to follow there way
if u going to play the best is always raise to 3 or 4 bb, then make u fold equity, and u kick out some people who is only hope is check flop cheaps
nah, its only best to raise all time when you play heads up, otherwise is a losing proposition you will much more flops than you hit
happens all the time!! reward the donks!!! just know in the long run, the majority of them dont ever make it to the final table!!
raise never check. always raise with J2 even against a good starting hand.
voted most ludicrous statement in this thread LOL and here we have a bingo player that believes that kind of bullshit!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lorenz0wns
Well the main event is structured differently from regular online mtts. Blinds go up much slower and the structure is extremely soft in the main. Its also not a regular mtt considering u have to play 7 days straight and the field is astronomically larger than most standard online mtts. If deeb ever made a deep run in the main with 200-300 ppl left i would 99% guarantee you he would take a coinflip because like most mtt'ers know the only way u can win is if u have a big stack which gives you a huge edge over everyone else. Top payouts are to the ppl who FT and u won't make it without running good and winning flips.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHaversham
It's the same concept whether he's multi tabling or playing an important tourney like the main. He's not gonna play the main differently to online mtts.
How to Win an MTT Poker Tournament - YouTube
^5:25-6:45 it's explained very well.