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I agree with the use of tracking software like poker-edge, some do not. I think since it is available to everyone for the same price it is fair. I really like poker-edge (when it works correctly), and this is one reason I do not like Bovada, I think it is imperative to know who you are playing against, otherwise half of the skill is gone
IF it is there to use use it Dont think anything is wrong with that but a good player and sit at the table for a couple mins and realize the type of players that are there with them
waste track the player during the session that is reallyall that matters
If you need software to play poker you should quit
Sallywoo is a bot, he have a O8 software that play for him on fulltilt.
I use HEM2 and find the information I get from it to be invaluable. When I was playing alot on lock poker and had alot of tournament hands built up on some of the players I saw alot it helped with decisions based on trends opponents had. I think it helped alot in my decisions to reach the FT of the $55 5K 5 times in 1 week period and is 1 of the best investments I could make into my online game
I think sports players buy equipment why not poker players
I totally disagree with this statement. First off poker is becoming less and less about poker. It has become a software war and it is ridiculous. No longer about who is a better poker player but rather who can interpret their software better.Quote:
Originally Posted by detroitjunkie
I think it helps a lot especially when multitabling.
in response to if you need to use it then quit - good players don't need it I say bullcrap
I consider myself a pretty good player, and with this I incorporate anything that can help keep track of the 100's of thousands of hands I have played over the years, especially when it comes to other players. most sites if you stay at same level you will run across a lot of players you have seen before and a lot you have not, if you keep notes on the ones you have played via the poker client, then that is no different, and I think you should keep those notes. but as far as players you do not know, its good to have poker-edge so you know if they are complete maniac or a shark, before its too late to find out on your own. plus it helps when looking for a loose game or a tight game. if you do not use this software for any other reason than you cant afford it, you are kidding yourself in thinking you can be as good as those that use it. I once told a co-worker of mine who told me he played to read one of my books I own, he said "I already know how to play poker", then he invited me to his game and I clean house! Don't kid yourself.
I think strong arguments can be made for both sides of the coin, but at the end of the day, poker is supposed to be a game played with the mind. With that said, I admit... that I do use tracking software (PT4) at sites where it's allowed. But with my only goal being to simply win as much money as possible, it would be foolish to not use it, considering every serious player I find myself playing against more than likely is using it as well.
Certain types of software, to me, kinda goes too far though. The programs that have hand histories already supplied right out of the box, and that give you info on players that you've never even seen before?? Come on now... :rolleyes:
I agree with lifesonsrv on this one. Personally, I'd like to recommend PT4 over HM2. I feel the interface is better and friendly for PT4...Also, I've had software for a LONG time and wasn't really getting much out of it.
If you buy any software, make full use of it. There are tons of videos online, even from the company who makes these softwares. Learn as much as you can. As with any set of statistics, they are only as useful as the siill of interpration the statician has.
So, just having these tools wont earn more money. But if you get them and actually take a ton of time to figure out how to best use the info you are given, then there is no reason not to invest in a tracker.
Also, I think buying hand packs is perfectly okay. You are paying money for them, but are foregoing the opportunity cost of collecting hands yourself.
A good site for purchasing Hand histories is pokertableratings.com
HHsmithy also does it, but I find they dont have good support for merge.
Hit me up if anyone wants to go half and half on any hand package.
So, Anybody using any freeware/shareware HUDs? I tried to install fdpd but i can't seem to get it to install. I Used poker wingman b4 bf and loved it. didn't stop me from being a donk, but made me think twice about it. that said, I make as many final tables without a HUD as I do with... just like the security blanket, i guess
Im old school and dont need no tracking software. i do it with a pen and paper.
I had gone through the trial of both PT4 and HM2. I find HM2 more preferred though. PokerOffice and MagicHoldem too are worthy..
ZMITAL... ever wonder why you don't have anything in your "money won" category on your PokerOwned profile?
I think anything that gives live advise like Magic Holdem or similar programs should be banned but at the same time anybody following the advice from programs like that are never gonna beat anything but full ring or 6max 2nl ring games. PT and HEM are pretty much necessary to beat most stakes these day though.
Anyone know a lightweight HUD? HM2 and PT4 are using postgresql and my system is very old one and less RAM. So I cannot play more than one table using hm2..
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Originally Posted by LastTricks
HM1 is a lot lighter than HM2 but its harder to get hold of these days. PT3 is pretty light too.
using programs that track other players is cheating. If you need to cheat to win in poker then you are not a good poker player! You can't go to a casino and pull up peoples playing information. Once again, if you use tracking software you are a cheater and a bad player!
yes u can go to a casino and bring up players information, gus hansen does it all the time, he takes notes on every hand he plays - now if i did this myself and wrote it on paper would that be cheating? just because i step up to the modern technology and have a computer do it for me is no different. it is available to everyone. the only reason sites dont like it and label it cheating is because you are paying someone else for the service and not them, and they wont provide the service because amateurs dont know what the information means and would be scared away. what about using sharkscope - is that cheating too? What about reading a poker book or taking a course in micro-expression reading - is that cheating? What about taking beta-blockers? the only cheating in poker is collusion and looking at peoples cards - neither of which is a result of ay of the above
if you are going to be strong in labeling it cheating you need to say why