Merge Poker rigged?

I have come to the conclusion that Carbon Poker is rigged to negate skill. Prior to Black Friday I was a regular winner and withdrawer from CP (check my stats on SS), and a regular player in their "Tourney King" FR's. Shortly after BF, when their competition got shut down, it seemed like almost every time I got my stack in with way the best hand, some donk would catch his 3 or 4-outer to bust or cripple me. I began to notice that virtually ALL of the regular "Tourney King" players began to disappear. Why would they leave and where would they go? I also began to see final tables populated by players rated by Sharkscope as having "Skill Levels" in the 50's and 60's instead of 70's and 80's. For three days and over 1000 hands, I kept track of all of the all-in hands that I saw at my tables (not just MY hands), recording the % odds in the box when the cards turned up, and which hand actually won. My data showed the behind hand winning 71% more often than probability would predict. My research shows that Merge is associated with the Kanhawakee Tribe of Mohawk Indians and that the software is a product of Mohawk Internet Technologies. The site is regulated by the Kanhawakee Gaming Commision. The headquarters of the tribe is Kanhawakee, Canada. Wouldn't it benifit everyone in the town or the tribe to take away random, and help the donk/loser/depositors and target the skilled/winner/withdrawer? I assure you, I will NEVER deposit another dime to that site.

I don't see how negating skill earns Carbon more money? Someone always wins the hand and it's not Carbon, it's one of the players. They get the same rake no matter what.

all this investigating shows that Merge has more inexperienced players than any other site.

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Originally Posted by Paisleysky

I don't see how negating skill earns Carbon more money? Someone always wins the hand and it's not Carbon, it's one of the players. They get the same rake no matter what.

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This.

Carbon makes their money regardless of who wins and loses individual hands.

As for the 1000 hands of data, that's nowhere near a large enough sample size to draw any conclusions from.

I think they are doing some shady things. I've been all-in being the big favorite to win, and have lost more that half of those hands.

i do think carbon is rigged. i hold while ahead a crap ton more on winning and revolution network.
no data, sorry. im just not playing merge seriously n e more

Yeah Merge has changed something cause it wasnt this bad before black friday, Now the underdog is favored more often then not.. You see players playing this horrible style of play nowadays and its getting rewarded a shit ton more then it was before black friday!! They have EVERYTHING to gain by keeping donks around, i dont what part of that some of you dont understand. 2 years ago the way play is today would have had ALOT of people quitting poker altogether cause it didnt reward at the rate it does today! I think 1000's of hands is a good enough sample to have an opinion that something has changed.. When you have fewer customers you have to find a way to keep them and keep them gambling. Risk takers are going to make more money for the site then solid(tight selective agressive) players. Solid players dont over risk there money, they dont buy right into another one if they get donked out. A real player uses BRM and thats something these sites dont want, so why not reward some risk takers more often then not, they know they will buy into another one real quick. I dunno id really like to believe online isnt rigged but you just see way too much BS to just push it aside.

Only losing players say Merge is rigged.

it's not rigged , just most of the players from there have their brains "rigged" :))

If the site's software helps the donk/depositors and targets skilled withdrawers, the money stays on the site until it can be raked. I am speaking in generral terms; of course people win and people lose, but if you withdraw more than once, LOOK OUT!

rigged ??? don't think so... what gets me is you come into this forum and your 2nd post is full of talking shit....maybe you could have waited to at least the 10th post ROFL

Their RNG must be rigged but I dont think it targets certain players. As for skill players going away, that happens in live too. People get some success and then you never hear about them or hear how they are broke. Same thing happens with players that were really good before, game evolves.

yes it is rigged and many people are not capable of being in it...

i doubt carbon has hit a magical switch on me and decided it has a evil plot to reward all the donkeys to juice up the actions creating a gigantic revenue for them to keep in their hungry pockets as they punish the good players?? u see how crazy that sounds, everyone saying rigged on a freeroll site needs a break off poker

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Originally Posted by poKAnstriKtA

I have come to the conclusion that Carbon Poker is rigged to negate skill. Prior to Black Friday I was a regular winner and withdrawer from CP (check my stats on SS), and a regular player in their "Tourney King" FR's. Shortly after BF, when their competition got shut down, it seemed like almost every time I got my stack in with way the best hand, some donk would catch his 3 or 4-outer to bust or cripple me. I began to notice that virtually ALL of the regular "Tourney King" players began to disappear. Why would they leave and where would they go? I also began to see final tables populated by players rated by Sharkscope as having "Skill Levels" in the 50's and 60's instead of 70's and 80's. For three days and over 1000 hands, I kept track of all of the all-in hands that I saw at my tables (not just MY hands), recording the % odds in the box when the cards turned up, and which hand actually won. My data showed the behind hand winning 71% more often than probability would predict. My research shows that Merge is associated with the Kanhawakee Tribe of Mohawk Indians and that the software is a product of Mohawk Internet Technologies. The site is regulated by the Kanhawakee Gaming Commision. The headquarters of the tribe is Kanhawakee, Canada. Wouldn't it benifit everyone in the town or the tribe to take away random, and help the donk/loser/depositors and target the skilled/winner/withdrawer? I assure you, I will NEVER deposit another dime to that site.

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going to break this down real easy POST Black Friday there came of wave one new US poker players and Merge was the only sites they could play on which means you have a new wave of noobie poker players who have no concept of how the game is played. Now that is not Merge's fault. Pretty much we need to figure out how they play and take that free money which in the end is free money. They are handing us money if you really think about it, we just need to adapt and figure out the best spot to get it. Nobody just gives you money you have to earn it sort of speak. GL all

im not a losing player. And I have played merge for about 1 year. about 100-300 games a day when i started being used to PS and FTP where i just go all day always got payouts had ROI over 19%... yet I come to merge.. for almost 1 year I play this fucked up site.. let me tell you something... if my PS3 can learn my moves then so can a computer program. Merge is fkn crooked as hell. I have never played on a site with more bs then there. Yea I get bad beats all the time, but its not K rag and 78 suited EVERY FKN TIME. It's a joke I played over 7500 games in august. I have never seen K rag win so much in my life. I have never lost so much with prime cards to all the donk hands like K rag 78. Yea it happens a lot when u play as much as I did. but come the fuck on.. not the same damn crap for almost 1 year. Worst hand on all ins with my stats. that = 5500 games with about 70- 85 hands per game. Yea .. thats a lot.. and guess what.. 89% of the time. Worst hand won. Not talking AA to KK hitting a set or something no no. You AA and KK lose to either 78 suited or K4 or some bs. IT made me so sick of poker and these bs sites merge can not possibly be legit I have actually stopped playing merge unless its a free roll. The site is BS. it is set up to make it that you do not win crap or avg of the best people at 10% roi. even so called pros. Give me a break.. your telling me that this site isnt rigged then you are either new.. or have not played as long as me. Coming up on year 19 with 15 of those winning. 3 first years losing and this last year on merge.. Oh look I go to lock poker.. WOW shits normal.. I am winning no fkn shit.... FUCK MERGE. straight the fuck up.

then explain how he and many others have cashed out multiple times?


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No comment. Been on Carbon for awhile. It has changed form '08-'09 til now, all I am gonna say.

Merge ok but US players really bad :)

partypoker worst site ever imo

i truly cannot decide if i think merge is rigged, or just infested with fish who will donk out in some sort of mental masturbation. All that i can say is i have been through two streaks on this network so far of bad beats that defied any form of statistical 'normal' by more than three standard deviations, which moves into the range or true astronomical probability

That being said, I have had much more success since switching to a different amount and format to play for within the last two weeks.

All things being equal, i prefer live play 1000.00% more than online play - if a dealer is spiking cards, he gets his ass kicked.

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Originally Posted by Drywallman3

going to break this down real easy POST Black Friday there came of wave one new US poker players and Merge was the only sites they could play on which means you have a new wave of noobie poker players who have no concept of how the game is played. Now that is not Merge's fault. Pretty much we need to figure out how they play and take that free money which in the end is free money. They are handing us money if you really think about it, we just need to adapt and figure out the best spot to get it. Nobody just gives you money you have to earn it sort of speak. GL all

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VERY valid point. Merge sites have been the "boutique rooms" that caters to every kind of player imaginable. People are quick to jump to conclusions and conspiracy theories when they experience variance for any extended period of time.

@ poKAnstriKtA
pretty sure its not rigged,my guess is that with the amount of new players that you are just running into more inexperienced players than normal.I think maybe you need to remember that poker is a fluid game you need to change your play other wise you wont be able to keep up.Of course I have taken some pretty bad beats too but thats just the game.Also how do you think that 1000 hands is enough of a sample maybe try after 10k then repost the results....

Merge is easily rigged the odds are totally off

I heard that merge has a group of players under its belt that plays FOR the team and Wins for the team. Anyone else read this somewhere?
I can't recall what magazine I read it from.

im sure theres threads on EVERY site out there saying this sites rigged, or that one is. I just started back up online last week, and really don't see much of a difference from 6 years ago on pokerroom.com, PS and FTP. There was always the Q7 and J4 showing up everywhere and getting stellar flops the, no different now, That's why I play those hands at least to a flop. IMO its online poker, theres fish, donks, newbs, and in general, looser play. I know I play looser online versus live.

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Originally Posted by rdog1797

Merge is easily rigged the odds are totally off

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So you've compiled and analyzed the data to prove this claim? I'm impressed, and hope you share it with the rest of the forum.