Carbon support concerning fairness and randomness

So Carbon touts that its games and software are routinely tested for fairness and randomness. So I request the latest audit report that proves this. Their response is that the information is confidential. Wouldnt a player,especially a depositing player,have the right to see these reports. What is there to hide? So I send the same request to the khawannee(sorry if misspelled)gaming commission on three different occasions only to be flat out ignored with no response. This would leave one to believe either these reports dont even exist or that they prove that things arent as fair and random as they should be. If you ask me,these online poker rooms/casinos and the Khawanne "gaming Commission" are padding each other's pockets at players expense. Any thought good people......has any one ever seen these audits or gotton a response concerning this! Thanks and good luck!

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Originally Posted by tp3rd

So Carbon touts that its games and software are routinely tested for fairness and randomness. So I request the latest audit report that proves this. Their response is that the information is confidential. Wouldnt a player,especially a depositing player,have the right to see these reports. What is there to hide? So I send the same request to the khawannee(sorry if misspelled)gaming commission on three different occasions only to be flat out ignored with no response. This would leave one to believe either these reports dont even exist or that they prove that things arent as fair and random as they should be. If you ask me,these online poker rooms/casinos and the Khawanne "gaming Commission" are padding each other's pockets at players expense. Any thought good people......has any one ever seen these audits or gotton a response concerning this! Thanks and good luck!

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Interesting read, but sad to say that Carbon or any other gaming site has the right to refuse whatever they feel. :(

You always have the option not to play at their site.

just need to learn the software. its not RIGGED for certain ppl. it just sux in general.
you wont find natural shuffles online.
the radical me is definitely mad a t myslef for playing such a bad site, as carbon/merge, but its all we got

Unfortunately I guess we are at their mercy and word...........how can you believe any of them..........especially after the latest scandals these past few years. I really do hope the US allows and regulates internet poker. Its a win win situation for the gov't,sites and players,and hopefully if things get legitimized,I bet you will not see as much crazy action and badbeat situations that prevails right now. Only time will tell I guess!

Poker sites don't have to release this information except for a select few. The Merge Gaming Network is a privately held corporation (I assume they are incorporated). Either way, since they are not a publicly traded company, ie stock exchange, they do not have to release financial documents or any documents to the public regarding the fairness of the game. That is where the kahnawake gaming commission comes into play. As a gaming commission they are required to release these documents according to the laws in there governing country. If you do some research though you'll realize that the kahnawake Gaming Commission is based in a Native American territory. Despite it being in the country Canada they are viewed upon as being a sovereign nation and thus they have to obey their laws. It is up to them, and only them, if they want to release this information. They can request it from the Merge Gaming Network but there is no law that mandates they provide their findings to the player.

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Originally Posted by steveg78

You always have the option not to play at their site.

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True,but that does not excuse cheating or illigitimate play does it?

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Originally Posted by tp3rd

Unfortunately I guess we are at their mercy and word...........how can you believe any of them..........especially after the latest scandals these past few years. I really do hope the US allows and regulates internet poker. Its a win win situation for the gov't,sites and players,and hopefully if things get legitimized,I bet you will not see as much crazy action and badbeat situations that prevails right now. Only time will tell I guess!

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and Jesus Christ is coming over for my BBQ saturday night ;)

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Originally Posted by Mrlova

Poker sites don't have to release this information except for a select few. The Merge Gaming Network is a privately held corporation (I assume they are incorporated). Either way, since they are not a publicly traded company, ie stock exchange, they do not have to release financial documents or any documents to the public regarding the fairness of the game. That is where the kahnawake gaming commission comes into play. As a gaming commission they are required to release these documents according to the laws in there governing country. If you do some research though you'll realize that the kahnawake Gaming Commission is based in a Native American territory. Despite it being in the country Canada they are viewed upon as being a sovereign nation and thus they have to obey their laws. It is up to them, and only them, if they want to release this information. They can request it from the Merge Gaming Network but there is no law that mandates they provide their findings to the player.

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So they can hide by being based in a sovereign nation and not worry about repercussions!

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So they can hide by being based in a sovereign nation and not worry about repercussions!

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no, what this means is they have the right to refuse the public/we, but not the government/IRS

Merge has NO reason to release this information. Its a PRIVATE run company they can do whatever the heck they want. If you think its rigged or bogus then simply dont play. I would suggest esp these days with US and online poker to only keep a small amount online. I read something on 2+2 the other day saying that Merge has 77 skins and all of them are run differently and how it will make it extremely hard for the DOJ to take it down since they dont allow echecks as deposit, very few cc/debit cards are allowed to deposit and all withdrawls are done with checks from non-us banks. Granted the doj has every right to just shut it down I just dont feel like they have the power and enough right now.

I think carbon is a pretty fair site they do have some kinks but they are good

I would assume part of the reason for denying the request is there might be worried someone might use the information to find ways to manipulate the system. It has been a while since I have done anything with programming but I seem to remember back many years ago in a programming class, that computers do actually have the ability to pick a "random number". So what software guys have been doing for years is creating elaborate formulas to create what would be as close to randomness as you can get.

Now I can be wrong on my memory (it has failed me many times before), times could have changed, or I could be flat out wrong. But I could see them get a bit defensive about releasing that information if someone far more intelligent than I could use it with malicious intent.

just about any business is gonna refuse making such things public unless it has to

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Originally Posted by IamStuUnger

just about any business is gonna refuse making such things public unless it has to

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More or less what I was thinking.

Should I be upset if I ask KFC for their secret recipe and they refuse? I would like to know what I'm eating. Their refusal does not mean its made with something crazy like Soylent Green.

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Originally Posted by Drywallman3

and Jesus Christ is coming over for my BBQ saturday night ;)

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Watch out,,,heard some guy named Judas is on the guest list...

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Originally Posted by wagon596

Watch out,,,heard some guy named Judas is on the guest list...

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great, now I have to go buy more food :)

lol you guy have some random thoughts.....lol

well i got food from a check i got from carbon last week so if u guys
keep ramblin on at carbon its the only site we can play on
be happy deal with it
ps startin a new business CRYIN TOWELS for sale 100 points virtual cloth lol

Im not asking to see the software used to test.....just the report showing the results......big difference!!

its not rigged, theres just a ton of shitty players online

either that or there just a bunch of shitty card rooms online

yea that too pretty much,lol

ive been playing on carbon for almost 3 years and ive never had a problem with them. yeah payouts can be slow but other than that i like the merge sites

Even if you don't agree with it's RNG, you still have to get used to it. Most of the time, you will lose due to the fact that you will only need one good combination to win.http://imagicon.info/cat/10-4/good.gif

you are not right! the fee charge is enough,so is randomnes for the players

i like th graphics th best but somehow it is not like playing real cards

i think the fee and length of time for payouts is a big deal. the site seems alright but it sucks people cant get paid fast.

I'm up to 5 weeks for my check to come to me from Carbon,,,, sad but true