Why does good poker lose?

The answer to this is: Good poker dosn`t lose (in the long term)
If you are asking yourself why you`r good play always lose`s the ONE AND ONLY answer to that is your poker is not good and you should quit.
I know for most it is hard to get of AA when 889 flops and the other person is ( lets say this person is somewhat a decent player) ALL-IN
but in this case you just have to accept you are beat, and once again the answer THE only answer is it actually shouldn't be hard at all to get of it
Now for the most it is hard but it should actually not at all be hard to get of qq in case u get for example 5 all-ins in front of you, YOU are beat in bout 87% of the time so PUT them down ( just and example)

Now to all the people that keep coming in chat and complaining how their AA lost to 37o or their KK to 89s,
it is all your own fault you either played the hands terrible or did not get of them when you should have,
and then of course their is the suckouts but guys thats a part of poker that you will just HAVE to accept if you cant so then dont play poker.

AND to all the idiots thinking aa and kk are always the nuts no matter what flops quit poker right away please

Most people are getting mad that you 3 or 4 bet someone and they still call with garbage and win. After a 3 or 4 bet a lot of the time you are pot committed...there is no "get off the hand".

I agree with what you wrote...with the exception of freerolls. People will just call right on down the line no matter what you do in some of these.

Sometimes, the all ins are preflop when you have Aces. Of course players are mad that a bad hand won.

i have lost with almost every hand possible and also won with every hand as well..

poker is nutz!

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Originally Posted by TKD55

The answer to this is: Good poker dosn`t lose (in the long term)
If you are asking yourself why you`r good play always lose`s the ONE AND ONLY answer to that is your poker is not good and you should quit.
I know for most it is hard to get of AA when 889 flops and the other person is ( lets say this person is somewhat a decent player) ALL-IN
but in this case you just have to accept you are beat, and once again the answer THE only answer is it actually shouldn't be hard at all to get of it
Now for the most it is hard but it should actually not at all be hard to get of qq in case u get for example 5 all-ins in front of you, YOU are beat in bout 87% of the time so PUT them down ( just and example)

Now to all the people that keep coming in chat and complaining how their AA lost to 37o or their KK to 89s,
it is all your own fault you either played the hands terrible or did not get of them when you should have,
and then of course their is the suckouts but guys thats a part of poker that you will just HAVE to accept if you cant so then dont play poker.

AND to all the idiots thinking aa and kk are always the nuts no matter what flops quit poker right away please

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WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! You must be part of the clueless to think someone is a bad player cause they got bad beated LMFAO typical Idiot statement. LMFAO@ if you cant win with AA or KK against a idiot you should quit LOL if im playin AA for example as u put it and a decent player calls my raise with 89, then hes/her is definitely not a good player but yet ur response is the player that lost is the bad player , thats just fkin hilarious!!! but the other player is good for donking someone LMFAO Only a tardo that is used to his hands holding would make such a dumbass statement.. Ya know those of us that come into chat and complain about being bad beat arent complaining cause it happens once in a great while like odds would say it should, most of us would just like for them to hold anywhere near what odds say should happen, not exact opposite of what odds say will happen.. to be beatin by a 2 or 3 outer(or gutshot or runner runner) is NOT bad play just horrible RNG results!! Yes at times it is played wrong but even playin it wrong odds should still be odds..So if we dont get them when we should its our fault? are you fuckin kiddin me? you that much of a idiot?

So this post is complete garbage and has no business on a poker forum. Downing people for good play and bad results, while typical of those who dont experience what alot of us do, to degrade someone for bad luck or whatever is just plain ridiculous Mr $14 won yes all should listen to you since you obviously know wtf ur talking about LMFAO A whole 14 bux since a year of being here LMFAO

So for almost a year(before we started getting 70 to 90 plus in turnys) you had a chance to build a roll. So whos the dumb one? the one who doesnt even try to build a roll or the one who degrades others for best hand losing? O i guess they would both point towards you!!

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Originally Posted by abwil2

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! You must be part of the clueless to think someone is a bad player cause they got bad beated LMFAO typical Idiot statement. LMFAO@ if you cant win with AA or KK against a idiot you should quit LOL if im playin AA for example as u put it and a decent player calls my raise with 89, then hes/her is definitely not a good player but yet ur response is the player that lost is the bad player , thats just fkin hilarious!!! but the other player is good for donking someone LMFAO Only a tardo that is used to his hands holding would make such a dumbass statement.. Ya know those of us that come into chat and complain about being bad beat arent complaining cause it happens once in a great while like odds would say it should, most of us would just like for them to hold anywhere near what odds say should happen, not exact opposite of what odds say will happen.. to be beatin by a 2 or 3 outer(or gutshot or runner runner) is NOT bad play just horrible RNG results!! Yes at times it is played wrong but even playin it wrong odds should still be odds..So if we dont get them when we should its our fault? are you fuckin kiddin me? you that much of a idiot?

So this post is complete garbage and has no business on a poker forum. Downing people for good play and bad results, while typical of those who dont experience what alot of us do, to degrade someone for bad luck or whatever is just plain ridiculous Mr $14 won yes all should listen to you since you obviously know wtf ur talking about LMFAO A whole 14 bux since a year of being here LMFAO

So for almost a year(before we started getting 70 to 90 plus in turnys) you had a chance to build a roll. So whos the dumb one? the one who doesnt even try to build a roll or the one who degrades others for best hand losing? O i guess they would both point towards you!!

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Read the thread over again lol
and btw i have rarley played ANY carbon freerolls here neither any of the others i decide to playone every month or so and its not like im tryin to win it ill just donk it away ( now the donking it away has NOTHING to do with how i play or what i know about poker i just do it because i really dont give a sht).... but that has nothing to do with the meaning of this thread ..


now again just for you as you seem to be one of them....:::
AND to all the idiots thinking aa and kk are always the nuts no matter what flops quit poker right away please

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Originally Posted by TKD55

Read the thread over again lol
and btw i have rarley played ANY carbon freerolls here neither any of the others i decide to playone every month or so and its not like im tryin to win it ill just donk it away ( now the donking it away has NOTHING to do with how i play or what i know about poker i just do it because i really dont give a sht).... but that has nothing to do with the meaning of this thread ..


now again just for you as you seem to be one of them....:::
AND to all the idiots thinking aa and kk are always the nuts no matter what flops quit poker right away please

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i must say. youre an idiot sir. forget quitting poker. you should just quit breathing

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Originally Posted by tommy62278

i must say. youre an idiot sir. forget quitting poker. you should just quit breathing

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lolol people like you who counter anything i say cause they have personal problems (or something) should just not reply in threads i made/make it waste of both mine and your time

just play the game and have fun if you cant do that then maybe you sould quit

i am someone who loves to play poker, (alot, and seriously) lol, however, i love more when people play it properly too. One thing that i cannot abide by is bingo play, as it is so very friggin fustrating when you play the best hand only to b beaten by a bingoed bad beat!

I think more and more people end up losing in poker and know its hard to stay consistent in poker. Thats why you see so many stop playing poker. Only a few really survive and end up being big winners.

I agree with TKD55.

As I get more serious for life, I tend to never drink beer, or smoke weed for that matter, in the morning. The same ideal can be measured as an ordeal for quiting when your AA or KK gets beat.

Some ppl just don't have the clues needed to fold them. When 3-5 ppl go all-in in front of me when I have AA, I usually fold.

P.S. He's not talking about the RNG, he's just talking about ppl who play the same hands thinking they're good. These ppl probably play the same types of games as well. Idk, if it's karma or anything like that but if you play to the swing of the RNG, you're asking for trouble.

no matter how good you are, there are bad beats in poker.

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Originally Posted by TKD55

Read the thread over again lol
and btw i have rarley played ANY carbon freerolls here neither any of the others i decide to playone every month or so and its not like im tryin to win it ill just donk it away ( now the donking it away has NOTHING to do with how i play or what i know about poker i just do it because i really dont give a sht).... but that has nothing to do with the meaning of this thread ..


now again just for you as you seem to be one of them....:::
AND to all the idiots thinking aa and kk are always the nuts no matter what flops quit poker right away please

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So again thats why i say your post is irrelevant. If your not trying to win then why play? isnt that the goal for everyone besides having fun? it isnt like its really free, you have to earn or buy the points, which takes time or money..so no it isnt free!!!

It has EVERTHING to do with this thread.. its people like you who ruin the game cause you just dont give a shit.. So your not looking to get better or win? so bother with this post or playing? Talk about weird!! All i know is i have played enough live to know you wont get rewarded the way online rewards bad play, plain and simple i have put in the time over the years. Maybe cause live your body betrays ya i dunno but online poker is really different then live..

Yeah why should a hand thats a 70 to 99 % favored win? why should it win anywhere near what odds say it should? Not talking about calling a 4 way allin with AA or KK cause for me thats an easy fold , you are no longer the huge favorite you would be against one player..

So why does everyone go after the player who lost with best hand? does it really make sense to degrade them? when they made best play with best hand and lose. Um no , it would be nice for some to be with you instead of against you.. It would be nice for others to say sorry for your bad luck, that player had no business in that pot to begin with. I have found just the opposite here tho. people want to jump on the person who lost with best hand and its always o u must have played it wrong even if you played it right.

Bitching and poker go hand in hand and will never not go that way. so to all those who jump on the person who loses with best hand. try having some compassion for them. I could see if someone came in bitching that there donk style was losing with 79 against AA but for AA to lose to 79, AA has to be VERY unlucky and 79 has to be VERY VERY lucky, but online this just isnt the case 90% of the time..

So i say it is you who should step away from the keyboard rather then post something so stupid like this thread LOL Online(and live) bad beats are going to happen, people are going to bitch, whine and complain and if you cant handle it get over it or go away.. Hell the best player in the world bitches when he takes a bad beat. How many other games can you think of to where you play perfect or at the very least a dam good game and lose to someone throwing a basketball over there head behind there back to beat you? Not many games you can dominate and lose but poker is one of them so you are going to have people bitching.

So if you barley play then what right do you have to whine about others whining over a bad beat? LOL I guess if USA or any other free country you have that right(to your opinion) but not the right to tell someone else to quit poker cause they got bad beated. With your second post you confirmed what the first post made people think of you LMFAO straight out IGNORANT!! lol

All in evrytime any hand i will take u down sucka

poker is more and more like bingo these days

In a perfect world - poker would be a zero sum game. Your results at the end of your session would equal the sum of the true EV all your decisions.

One major caveat of poker is that you only stand to make signifigant +EV decisions if your opponent also is capable of making the equivalent -EV decisions consistantly. If your opponent doesn't make mistakes, your not going to make money off him. Even then it might take your whole life for your sample size of games to balance out and equal your expectation.

Poker's skill element requires that you also never become results orientated. You should always make the mathematically correct move. You could make the right move a 100 times in a night, 100% of your hands and be down 10 buyins. Unlikely - however it is still a mathematical possibility.

Results orientated mindset = I won the pot so I did the right thing
Logical Mindset = I won the pot and called with mid pair, however he had an open ended straight draw + two overcards and it turned out to be a coinflip. I stand to make no money from that decision in the longrun - we both actually lose money no matter what with the rake.

Just remember poker doesn't guarantee that you will make money. It gives you an edge if you really are good, but there are never any guarantees that the results will corellate with your expectation in your lifetime.

Wow... the only thing that comes to mind after reading some of the posts here is..."It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt." @Tommy: are you 12 or something? Or just a retard that acts 12...Maybe both

Good post Noct18