Tough call.... still not sure if I should have made it.

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10-29-2013, 05:45 AM
sickread23

Tough call.... still not sure if I should have made it.

Game started at: 2013/10/29 5:35:15
Game ID: 214167367 750/1500 BIG10 - $200 GTD, Table 4 (Hold'em)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: JMD15 (184509).
Seat 3: SmokeySky (62674).
Seat 4: Agent0 (48795).
Seat 6: SINATRA1 (18736).
Seat 9: FormerStarsPro (52008).
Player FormerStarsPro ante (150)
Player JMD15 ante (150)
Player SmokeySky ante (150)
Player Agent0 ante (150)
Player SINATRA1 ante (150)
Player FormerStarsPro has small blind (750)
Player JMD15 has big blind (1500)
Player FormerStarsPro received card: [10d]
Player FormerStarsPro received card: [7h]
Player JMD15 received a card.
Player JMD15 received a card.
Player SmokeySky received a card.
Player SmokeySky received a card.
Player Agent0 received a card.
Player Agent0 received a card.
Player SINATRA1 received a card.
Player SINATRA1 received a card.
Player SmokeySky folds
Player Agent0 folds
Player SINATRA1 calls (1500)
Player FormerStarsPro calls (750)
Player JMD15 checks
*** FLOP ***: [10c 4h 8s]
Player FormerStarsPro bets (1900)
Player JMD15 calls (1900)
Player SINATRA1 calls (1900)
*** TURN ***: [10c 4h 8s] [Jc]
Player FormerStarsPro bets (4500)
Player JMD15 calls (4500)
Player SINATRA1 folds
*** RIVER ***: [10c 4h 8s Jc] [Kd]
Player FormerStarsPro checks
Player JMD15 bets (13300)
Player FormerStarsPro calls (13300)
------ Summary ------
Pot: 46550. Rake 0
Board: [10c 4h 8s Jc Kd]
Player JMD15 shows: One pair of 8s [9s 8h]. Bets: 21350. Collects: 0. Loses: 21350.
Player SmokeySky does not show cards.Bets: 150. Collects: 0. Loses: 150.
Player Agent0 does not show cards.Bets: 150. Collects: 0. Loses: 150.
Player SINATRA1 does not show cards.Bets: 3550. Collects: 0. Loses: 3550.
*Player FormerStarsPro shows: One pair of 10s [10d 7h]. Bets: 21350. Collects: 46550. Wins: 25200.
Game ended at: 2013/10/29 5:36:34

My onlu read was that he had won a few pots w/o SD, and that he was fairly aggro. I figured he had been stealing a little, and figured that he could float. I wasn't really thrilled, but tank called. Thoughts?
10-29-2013, 06:26 AM
abwil2

Not sure why you would call with 10 7 for in the first place? Are you used to getting lucky by playing trash? seriously?
10-29-2013, 06:27 AM
sickread23

Uh 3way with 35-40bbs is an ok spot to complete the SB. I think I can read hands well, and make some moves to make this +ev.
10-29-2013, 06:32 AM
PokeYourFace

i wouldnt have called the 10 7 pre (i dont like putting myself in bad spots, ever), but since we did, and you had your reads, gc
10-29-2013, 06:36 AM
sickread23

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokeYourFace

i wouldnt have called the 10 7 pre (i dont like putting myself in bad spots, ever), but since we did, and you had your reads, gc

Yeah.I wasn't really posting to get a pat on the back. :) Idk, I will post more reasoning behind ranges and reads + the line check. I still think I kinda played this hand good and bad.
10-29-2013, 07:35 AM
lorenz0wns

Quote:

Originally Posted by sickread23

Game started at: 2013/10/29 5:35:15
Game ID: 214167367 750/1500 BIG10 - $200 GTD, Table 4 (Hold'em)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: JMD15 (184509).
Seat 3: SmokeySky (62674).
Seat 4: Agent0 (48795).
Seat 6: SINATRA1 (18736).
Seat 9: FormerStarsPro (52008).
Player FormerStarsPro ante (150)
Player JMD15 ante (150)
Player SmokeySky ante (150)
Player Agent0 ante (150)
Player SINATRA1 ante (150)
Player FormerStarsPro has small blind (750)
Player JMD15 has big blind (1500)
Player FormerStarsPro received card: [10d]
Player FormerStarsPro received card: [7h]
Player JMD15 received a card.
Player JMD15 received a card.
Player SmokeySky received a card.
Player SmokeySky received a card.
Player Agent0 received a card.
Player Agent0 received a card.
Player SINATRA1 received a card.
Player SINATRA1 received a card.
Player SmokeySky folds
Player Agent0 folds
Player SINATRA1 calls (1500)
Player FormerStarsPro calls (750)
Player JMD15 checks
*** FLOP ***: [10c 4h 8s]
Player FormerStarsPro bets (1900)
Player JMD15 calls (1900)
Player SINATRA1 calls (1900)
*** TURN ***: [10c 4h 8s] [Jc]
Player FormerStarsPro bets (4500)
Player JMD15 calls (4500)
Player SINATRA1 folds
*** RIVER ***: [10c 4h 8s Jc] [Kd]
Player FormerStarsPro checks
Player JMD15 bets (13300)
Player FormerStarsPro calls (13300)
------ Summary ------
Pot: 46550. Rake 0
Board: [10c 4h 8s Jc Kd]
Player JMD15 shows: One pair of 8s [9s 8h]. Bets: 21350. Collects: 0. Loses: 21350.
Player SmokeySky does not show cards.Bets: 150. Collects: 0. Loses: 150.
Player Agent0 does not show cards.Bets: 150. Collects: 0. Loses: 150.
Player SINATRA1 does not show cards.Bets: 3550. Collects: 0. Loses: 3550.
*Player FormerStarsPro shows: One pair of 10s [10d 7h]. Bets: 21350. Collects: 46550. Wins: 25200.
Game ended at: 2013/10/29 5:36:34

My onlu read was that he had won a few pots w/o SD, and that he was fairly aggro. I figured he had been stealing a little, and figured that he could float. I wasn't really thrilled, but tank called. Thoughts?

tbh i feel like it would be optimistic to think that the villain would float a 3way limp pot OOP. i think it's more likely that he slowplayed a strong hand postflop than him bluffing because of his line of just calling twice and betting 80% on the river.

usually in these stakes unless you've seen him make a 80% bet bluff on the river in this similar spot i would insta mucked. fwiw you're basically bluffcatching in this spot however if you think he's capable of betting a busted FD or truly just stealing with nothing i would w/e call but again you need solid evidence to make this read.

also, on the Jc turn why did you decide to bet? what worst hands do you think are calling you in this spot and what hands are you making fold? imo this puts you in a tough spot by betting because like you said since villain is fairly aggro he could easily get you off your 10s because there are a lot of horrible river cards for us. i think it would have been better to check/call and re-evaluate on the river rather than bet turn and then check river.
10-29-2013, 04:25 PM
eqgh5uea

Way ahead from the get go, seemed like u hooked him in.
10-29-2013, 04:30 PM
MovingFlea

wait for a better spot. there are two overcards and its multiway. most of the times it wont be a bluff, you know that.

you loose more chips bluff catching and being wrong, than folding to bluffs and being wrong.

because calling a bluff has a price to it.
10-29-2013, 05:07 PM
eqgh5uea

Quote:

Originally Posted by MovingFlea

wait for a better spot. there are two overcards and its multiway. most of the times it wont be a bluff, you know that.

you loose more chips bluff catching and being wrong, than folding to bluffs and being wrong.

because calling a bluff has a price to it.

I cud see that if it was omaha
10-30-2013, 12:51 PM
lilturkgirl

in a spot where im unsure where im out ill try my best just to lay the hand down, because more times than not your going to be wrong and its a losing play in the end.. i've learned that the hard way many times.
10-30-2013, 12:57 PM
sickread23

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorenz0wns

tbh i feel like it would be optimistic to think that the villain would float a 3way limp pot OOP. i think it's more likely that he slowplayed a strong hand postflop than him bluffing because of his line of just calling twice and betting 80% on the river.

usually in these stakes unless you've seen him make a 80% bet bluff on the river in this similar spot i would insta mucked. fwiw you're basically bluffcatching in this spot however if you think he's capable of betting a busted FD or truly just stealing with nothing i would w/e call but again you need solid evidence to make this read.

also, on the Jc turn why did you decide to bet? what worst hands do you think are calling you in this spot and what hands are you making fold? imo this puts you in a tough spot by betting because like you said since villain is fairly aggro he could easily get you off your 10s because there are a lot of horrible river cards for us. i think it would have been better to check/call and re-evaluate on the river rather than bet turn and then check river.

Well, I thought that he was capable of floating, and I didn't want to cede control of the pot, and then c/call 2 streets. Also, there were a few hand combos I thought I could be ahead of, and I have no problem turning my hand into a bluff otr if the board runs out a certain way. Obviously I could be bluffing the best hand, its just kind of a merge I suppose. Idk, weird hand in a few respects.