There should be a law against it

[gametime74]

there should be a law about peeps who think the best hand pre will win all the time when playing online poker

[cssml609]

i guess anything can happen. of course, i dont even know what im talking about because i didnt read the original post

[J_Slice]

The worst is when you get a table with a huuuge fish and he gets lucky a couple times then the relentless attack of words for his bad play forces the most profitable person at the table to leave. Please, fish are from whom you make your money. Berating them and forcing them to leave is completely -EV.

Not saying that is the case here but its something I see (well used to see when I was playing everyday) and makes absolutely no sense.

[neutral1983]

There are so many stories but remember you are in a freeroll, so hands that are mediocre are played often....

[rghy2]

I believe the players that are the most vocal in these situations tend to be the real fish and donks. Just look at Phil Helmuth

[P0K3R4F00D]

maybe next time just shove ur 10s preflop and try to get the QJo to fold instead. If he calls then he is the fish even tho your are short stacked and raising with a wide range of hands. In theory you would of got a few GGs insted of ridicule. MAYBE lol this forum seems to be tough on its fellow players.

[abwil2]

even if you shove pre your not going to get a donkey to fold!! The call isnt that bad but manners around here are. Its sad when even mods jump in on ya just to ridicule or be condescending. But thats who Zab has in place here. Most are very nice(mods). Youd think playing from a community like this people would have some manners but it seems most are lost and need to degrade someone for the sake of self worth. Pathetic really!!

[kingkowboys]

I don't think the play was bad. Those who are referencing the Q making his hand dead are being too results oriented. In that hand there is no way you can tell your opponent definitely has a queen. I'm a little lost at this point because you say you are middle position but then post flop you say late position checks to you. That's not possible so who called your bet? This is important in determining hand ranges.

With 1 over card on the flop you are in a tough spot when checked to. If you check behind you are giving away a free card, but to bet will leave you pot committed. I think in this spot you need to take the chance and shove. Your opponents range is pretty wide with a minimal raise unless you have a read contrary.

The fish comments are just internet BS. I wouldn't worry about it. You have nothing to prove to any of them. Plus it's a freeroll, not the WSOP none of the other players are Ivey.

[wlmartin]

I don't think the play was bad. Those who are referencing the Q making his hand dead are being too results oriented. In that hand there is no way you can tell your opponent definitely has a queen. I'm a little lost at this point because you say you are middle position but then post flop you say late position checks to you. That's not possible so who called your bet? This is important in determining hand ranges.

With 1 over card on the flop you are in a tough spot when checked to. If you check behind you are giving away a free card, but to bet will leave you pot committed. I think in this spot you need to take the chance and shove. Your opponents range is pretty wide with a minimal raise unless you have a read contrary.

The fish comments are just internet BS. I wouldn't worry about it. You have nothing to prove to any of them. Plus it's a freeroll, not the WSOP none of the other players are Ivey.

Yeah... Well one important thing that i missed from it was that i was MP, i could put the guy behind me on no Queen but the guy the guy behind me had yet to act and to be safe considering that a) I was short stacked b) I had poor position I should have done what Azreal said and got some information.

If i min bet it and got called, yes, i could have easily been led into a trap (less likely with one other player in it) and at that point it would be safe to say my hand was played well. The fact is i neglected to take the advantage of making the info bet in my rush to try and get more chips and my shove was premature.

So in summary there are 2 key things i should have done

1) Shoved from the start, the Q* would have not gone in with me since he had to act before the next guy and, and i reckon the other guy would have folded too.
2) When in, got my information and trusted that i was beat.

The fact is, a gamble here makes perfect sense if i have only 1 opponent and a much larger stack to his. With that he wouldnt dare call my all-in for fear he would get busted over his Q's where i could easily have KK, AA, AQ, AK with my initial raise.

lesson learned and from the start i wasnt saying it was the BEST call in the world. I regreted it after it happened and shrugged at first saying it was an OK call considering my stack sizes but going back to the thoughts of it I realized that it was a bad call and the only 2 moves i had were a shove from the start or an info bet to get a read.

Throughout it all though, i still think the fish calling was a bit bad. Had i done that fully stacked and at the start of the event then fair enough, but i was low stacked and had played proper TAG (which anyone could see with my folds and the plays i got involved in) so the fish calls were just in bad taste really

[UrsuuL]

is a free world.. a freedom to speak... so you don`t have to take it so personally if someone call`s you a fish... you know what you can do.. i wish player call me a fish and go after me and take all chips from them... sometimes is good that some1 thing you are a fish.. because it calls you more often then a player who thinks you play tied ... think of this..