SNKLZONA's aka Todd's RANT

Don't understand the animosity and definitely am not on a side...just good luck whatever it is you choose...but back to the thing I don't understand so someone out there please help me...was my impression that when we joined this forum that it was kind of an unwritten declaration that said hey we gonna group together study, learn, practice and discuss poker in the aim of all becoming better...like any other large groups of people their are gonna be personality clashes and anger flair ups but when it comes down to it are we not all pokerowned members with supposedly the same goal...when I see other members I recognize in non PO sponsored events, I always say hey good luck and go PO or something to that effect...nine out of ten times I get no response...no biggie I'm not crying bout that but what I am saying is this is the first forum I have ever joined and only did so last December...been playing online poker since six months before black friday and to be honest always thought (wrongly so, much to my chagrin) forums were a bunch of people who couldn't play poker very well so they talked about it instead...but I digress...the thing is I am proud of my status as a pokerowned member and will always be loyal to PO for all I have learned and benefited from because of my association with it...so here is the help me part...is this just another stupid convoluted idea I have formulated in my screwed up mind like the one I had about forums even though I had never before set "foot" in one...anyway this turned into an incredibly long and unforeseen rant and my deepest apologies for interrupting the very constructive thread that was in progress prior to my "shoplifting" it...gonna leave it here so it has context but it will probably get moved but I really and truly would like feedback because I am at a loss...good luck to all my pokerowned brothers and sisters...I'm just saying... Todd aka snklzona

I could not agree more with you more on that. I do not know about the rest of my fellow members but I am here to do what i love to do... play poker. I had no idea what forums were even about or had to offer until i signed up on here. and Zab you have done an amazing job with the site, brought me to a entire different level of playing. I am only 18 but have loved poker since i was 10, i cant think of many other things that i could do all do for weeks and still be as entertained and excited to do. I am not on here trying to make lots of money just looking for entertainment. Ive only been here for 2 months and am sad to say that starting the 29th i wont be able to be as active as i have been. Well enough rattling your ears get out there and play some poker!

I got brought here by someone who was already a member here. That was a month ago, and the first game I played was 6/28. I truly do suck at the game, I don't know what to do half the time, and to be brutally honest, any win I've had has just been pure stupid luck. Trying to sort through some of these threads about strategies and how to make good calls is rather daunting for a newbie. I almost feel like an idiot when I want to ask someone hey, can you tell me what I should or shouldn't do when this or that happens, or even asking advice seems like it's a taboo thing to do.

Even basically being thrown into the shark tank with knowing the basics, I've found that I do really enjoy the game.

I honestly have no animosity for anyone here at all. People are always going to develop rivalries, that's not going to change.

You are right, Todd, and it shouldn't be a convoluted idea. As a group, or community, who ever wants to participate in it should help those who want help or want to hash out bad plays, good plays, etc. and those who ask for a little advice shouldn't be condemned for it.

well, people react differently and some not always in a kind way.
But the worst you can do is to stop asking for help / advice.
For me, I will always try to help / answer questions (if I am able to)

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Originally Posted by snklzona

Don't understand the animosity and definitely am not on a side...just good luck whatever it is you choose...but back to the thing I don't understand so someone out there please help me...was my impression that when we joined this forum that it was kind of an unwritten declaration that said hey we gonna group together study, learn, practice and discuss poker in the aim of all becoming better...like any other large groups of people their are gonna be personality clashes and anger flair ups but when it comes down to it are we not all pokerowned members with supposedly the same goal...when I see other members I recognize in non PO sponsored events, I always say hey good luck and go PO or something to that effect...nine out of ten times I get no response...no biggie I'm not crying bout that but what I am saying is this is the first forum I have ever joined and only did so last December...been playing online poker since six months before black friday and to be honest always thought (wrongly so, much to my chagrin) forums were a bunch of people who couldn't play poker very well so they talked about it instead...but I digress...the thing is I am proud of my status as a pokerowned member and will always be loyal to PO for all I have learned and benefited from because of my association with it...so here is the help me part...is this just another stupid convoluted idea I have formulated in my screwed up mind like the one I had about forums even though I had never before set "foot" in one...anyway this turned into an incredibly long and unforeseen rant and my deepest apologies for interrupting the very constructive thread that was in progress prior to my "shoplifting" it...gonna leave it here so it has context but it will probably get moved but I really and truly would like feedback because I am at a loss...good luck to all my pokerowned brothers and sisters...I'm just saying... Todd aka snklzona

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Some people don't like to talk during tournaments (especially on something like BCP where the chat area is awful). Not something you should take too personally as I doubt it's a slight against you.

As an addendum, there are people that just want to be troublemakers, and people that just want to do what they have to to earn tickets and points without wanting anything to do with the community. You can't control those kind of people; if you've made friends and learned (which you stated was what you thought the goal was), then you're ahead of the game.

i think for the most part youll see someone post in chat that they are in blah blah position in a certain tourney and youll see alot of ppl saying good luck and sometimes we go rail them, but my opinion of most here is that alot only care about themselves. while a few of us do try to support each other most do not. they dont say hi half the time cause they dont care.

ive been a part of a few forums in my life and i have met good ppl on all of them as well as bad ppl. i say dont worry about the bad seeds man. continue to play your game and youll see little bits of support here n there. no need to be upset for these guys not wanting to support fellow members

I'm a fairly new member to Pokerowned, but I really like it so far. Everyone has been helpful to me so far. I think this is by far the best poker forum out there, its also a lot of fun. Way better compared to others I have seen. And just an FYI to the OP, in case you have ever seen me in a game and said hi but received no response it is not out of spite, but due to the fact I don't always keep an eye on the chat.

I love playing poker, it helps me through tuff times in the real world. i'm not very good at it, but i do okay on occasion. I've met some cool people, a couple even in real life, wouldn't mind meeting a few more. I love to rail members when i can and help out when i can. good luck to all.

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Originally Posted by rivdee

Some people don't like to talk during tournaments (especially on something like BCP where the chat area is awful). Not something you should take too personally as I doubt it's a slight against you.

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Agreed. Sometimes I may be multitabling or multitasking and I don't even notice someone said something to me. But I generally try to be pretty friendly. With a forum of any decent size there will always be personality clashes and a few bad eggs (there are a couple here that can really get to me -- but I'm getting used to it by now). I'm just thankful for Zab and everyone who put this site together because it really is awesome -- a little too awesome (ie addicting) sometimes. But I'm glad it's here because it really does help me through some of the difficult things I'm dealing with.

How many random trolls or scammers (or at least people who have eventually been kicked off the site) have you seen on your 6 months on here? This forum is open to the world to join. With that comes all sorts of people, both good and bad. I personally would rather focus on the likable, good players here. No reason why anyone else does or should matter. It's not like there is a shortage of people in this world...

Like our Motley Crew team is a great group, with great people, players, who all are open to discussing the game. Just think about it in those terms maybe? Who needs "that other type" of members around here? Avoid them if they aren't open to you/PO.

In addendum, whenever I sat down at any table for a decent buy in, a player at my table would almost always make fun of me for me "Team PokerOwned" avatar picture. I laughed it off, and honestly it only made me want to keep it some more.

Your best bet is too always focus on the positive. If you are able to find if only a few players which you know to be truly helpful and courteous, I would say you are money ahead:) And many times you will not get a response in tourneys due to the fact that some are watching there hand stats as opposed to the chat. I would not take it too personal and sometimes players are just jerks unfortunately.

Good Luck to you and don't lose faith in the goodness of others for I assure you that it still strives through all this chaos:)

-Stack

As far as people responding at the tables, I normally have chat off unless its a PO game on merge; the other sites have such tiny boxes and I would rather have tourney info in them then watch 4 out of 10 people at the table type about how much better they are at poker then everyone else. On the topic of forums; PO is kinda going to draw more trolls and assholes than your average poker forum because a lot of money is available here, and actually succeeding at poker is only one of the ways to get some of it. Think of PO like you home-teams stadium, its full of people who are there for the same reason you are, and like the same thing you like, but there are also some drunks, assholes, trolls, and even a few thieves mixed in. For the most part just like most gathering places you need to focus on the positive and try and ignore the negative.

I'm like most people. I will happily talk to you if I see the chat. But most of the time I'm either multi-tabling and don't see most of the comments, or I don't even have chat up because I'm taking notes. If I notice another PO member, I'll try and say something, but I can be pretty oblivious to those things.

i turn chat off in most of my games apart from a couple of freerolls i play on here and the times i do have chat on then my HUD is usually covering it so i miss a lot of what people say. i always reply if i see someone said something to me though.

i agree with todd, i always try to be polite and say hello when i see other PO players in other tourneys! ive been playing online poker for a long time, i joined this forum to meet new players and win some $$$$$$$, not necessarily to learn!!

First thank you all for your replies...second this was not a boo hoo session but a question of whether I am under the wrong impression of what a forum is "supposed" to be about...I am fully aware of the reasons I may or may not get a reply from someone at table...and after playing with a good many PO members for six months almost every day I pretty much know who and who does not say gg and nh...immaterial...I will always endeavor to do so with exceptions to multi tabling or multitasking myself...lastly and most importantly was the amount of open hostility, vulgarity and abject meanness I have witnessed...it is almost two thirds of the hands played a negative comment made at end of hand...no one should thank another for taking their chips but comments about mothers etc. have no place in my opinion...that was the reason for my asking about clarification on the function/purpose/meaning of a forum...is it a community or just a bunch of people chasing a free buck...I am cool with either (although I do have a preference)...I just want to know which is it...anyway thanks again to all PO members and good luck...I now return you to your regularly programed broadcast...