so i got a question for you skill poker players, how do you play middle pairs when face with a call, do you factor in your kicker, st8 or flush draws or stack size, let me hear some thoughts..ty
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so i got a question for you skill poker players, how do you play middle pairs when face with a call, do you factor in your kicker, st8 or flush draws or stack size, let me hear some thoughts..ty
everything you said
Yep you have to figure in everything. Your opponent and your gut as well.
play tighter, dont get in situations when all u have is middle pair, if ur calling preflop with middle pairs, either hit a set or dump it
for me it depends on all of that...how many ppl call, if ppl raise and how big my stack is...usually i'll call with middle pairs if ppl don't raise, just to see the flop
all that and more ... images, pot odds etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by gametime74
Are you talking of preflop or hitting a middlepair postflop ?
i may call a small raise but im looking to limp in and hit a set.. but i see alot of people that push with any small pair and i just dont get that play. if ya get called ur toast even to draw hands
Depends on the stack sizes and blinds at the time.
Let "H"=Hero (You) and "V"=Villain and E=Early in a tourny, M=Middle, L=Late.
1. E with both H and V having 35-50 BB's. See a flop and go set mining. Give up quickly if you don't hit your set.
2. E with H being short stacked "10-15" BB's and V being deep stacked (35-50) BB's. Again if you can see a cheap flop, do so. But only go set mining or if the flop all goes under your cards rank (you have an overpair)
3. M with H and V being both middle stacked "15-25" BB's Same as early in a tournament, set mining and give up if miss.
4. All other combinations-----Give up with a medium to large stack facing a raise, or if it's been called down, assume they have a big ace and only play if you hit an overpair or set. With a very short stack, re-raise all in and gamble. With a moderate short stack, fold immediately if facing a raise.
I play by gut a lot of times but usually I factor in opponent,blinds, and stack sizes
I always bet hard, if you raised preflop, keep raisin, if they keep callin and not raisen thn u gotta go with what you feel, or just call yourself and hope to hit something big to get max out of it.
I rarely play mid-pair with more than one player involve unless I have a feel for the players
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Originally Posted by BLINGBLAOW
best idea save you the max and if you hit the set hope to get paid
Position is the most important thing.
Early
With TT+ almost always raise in early pos. With the lower middle pairs, however, it can change. It can depend on what your table has been doing. If ppl constantly three bet the standard 3BB raise it honestly is best just to toss 'em. You can come in with a raise if the table is generally tight and straightforward. If its early in a SnG or MTT just fold. Later on when blinds are worth stealing you should let out a raise if again, the table is generally tight AND you have a rep to play only strong hands. What you don't want to do in early position is limp. You will get too many callers and more importantly you will be out of position and you wont be believeable if you try to bet out on a flop you think they missed.
Middle
If you are the first person in, you should come in with a raise.
If there are limpers before you, you can limp in behind those players also. If it was just a single limper, you can maybe put in a raise to get everyone else out of the pot. Then you'll have it heads up against the limper in position who probably has a marginal hand.
If someone raises before you, you really should fold 77-99 in middle position. If you have TT and JJ, call or re-raise, depending on the playing style of the raiser. If he is fairly tight, you can just call and see whats goin on after the flop. If the original raiser is loose, you also can just 3-bet him and most likely get him heads up in position.
Late
Obviously you can play middle pairs late. If there are multiple limpers, just call and go mining for set. If you have tt or jj you can raise limpers and try to play heads up or three at flop, because those hands are semi made without a set anyway.
Now the next point is important. You can play middle pairs with a raiser in front of you IF they are not a short stack. The reason being short stacks tipically will just push regardless postflop, and usually you will be behind if you dont hit your set. Because they are short you cant chase them out with a raise.
GL
I sometimes play middle pair if I feel my opponent doesn't have top pair
Its about your Gut people and your reads. The main thing about Poker boils down to your reads!
@janish: nice explanations, thanks for this.
good
yea janish at least in terms of position I think you had the best breakdown on how to play middle pairs
but what exactly do you consider middle pairs to be I was wondering this?
Poker just got way too complex for me !!!!!!!!!!1
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Originally Posted by IamStuUnger
66 too
janish, nice explanation...good stuff...gametime, do you mean pre or post flop?
Try to avoid these situations unless you know how you will react when they come
yea be careful in situations like that....good luck brotha
middle pairs sometimes its a good idea to see the flop cheap to check if u hit a set, doyle brunson hit a set of 6's on the big game and nailed a player for $100,000...
Personally i love playing middle pairs if the pot is cheap enuogh to see the flop or turn tosee if you can trip up cathch two pair
just go hard or go home with it
good question
Yeah, you have to factor all of that in. Most importantly you have to factor in your opponent.