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I love expoitable fish who will overbet 10x pot when they have nuts its so exploitable and just downright bad. Its only good if you balance it perfectly with bluffs which most people dont do. Overbetting like that shows a complete lack of postflop skills its just a shove and hope play.
i agree bet to raise 3x and see flop if possible before judging the hand
I usually do about x3 x4 if I have the nuts
I see value in it, if as you said it is balanced with bluffs and other hands as well.
Your just a fish.
it could be smart in some occasions when you know your opponent has a good hand but you got the nuts so its good value to over bet to get more money....doesnt work all the time tho....pick your spots.
I was at a table yesterday of bishs who were complaining about every hand. I started running good and picked them off one by one largely by OVERPLAYING my hands. They were getting frustrated and shoving into me almost everytime I bet high time. Easy Fishing. Point is there is a time for everything.
Yea I agree. For me overbetting is stupid because you are risking a lot of chips in comparision with the pot
well......people usually call me crazy for that but i dont feel safe with ANY preflop bet or raise for example, even when i have good hands like AA or KK, i always feel like im risking something i just dont have how to control, got tired of losing with this "golden" hands, so, everytime i bet or raise i feel like opening the back door of my house to the thieves.........xDD
I over bet all the time,,, it makes bluffs work....
over betting def. works. I agree with wagon.
It's called NLH. JustSayn.............................Quote:
Originally Posted by binkitonetime59
it works if people can count on luck, wich is not my case......O_oQuote:
Originally Posted by wagon596
I think its a good strategy sometimes to protect a good hand that you have, but one where your opponent could have alot of draws.
and so many still bite!! $1,193.96 Monies won says it is working.Quote:
Originally Posted by wagon596
It's stupid. Sometimes it works, but other times it's just really obvious. Like if there's 910JQK and he bets big, it's very likely he has the Ace.
eh I think over betting has it's place and time. When you are bluffing or trying to steal a pot.
sometimes an overbet can help isolate a player you want to go HU with in a hand...it depends on conventional vs. fish players in a hand
not always...sometimes and i mean most of the time they just check and slowplay the nuts hoping that you will bet them.. why do you say that overbeting when you got nuts is fishy maybe is an ABC game...or a vulnerable nuts like a 3 card of same color and you have nut flush but with 2 cards like 2 6 .you guess how can it finish
In the right scenario and player then its very effective, but it's not a move you should rely on, or even attempt often. IMO
Over betting is a strategy and a part of poker. You can use it to take down a pot if you don't want to see anymore cards or on the river when trying to steal a pot or you can use it to make it look like your trying to steal in hopes of getting a call from a marginal hand. If you use it right it is not dumb.
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Originally Posted by HugginsRomania
Guess how it finish? No, pretty sure I can't.
Overbetting is only logical if you're trying to protect your hand. ex. AA versus a straight draw.
but in that case your not protecting anything cause your never going to get the donks that play poker to fold 8 outs when they wont fold a BS hand preflop allin or 2 n 3 outers!Quote:
Originally Posted by jerm677
i said befoer pick your spots....its good value sometimes when you got a read on your opponent....so its nice sometimes to overbet to get maximum value and sometimes he can think your bluffing so that can work in your favor aswell. Dont try it all the time becuase most times out of 10 they will fold.
yes agree, everyone over bet all the time. if you dont than your a donk.
i disagree with your logic... lol
A lot of donks love to overbet the pot!!
I was playin live the other day, and this drunk guy was over bettign eberything!! He was cleaning up too!
Overbetting works in FRs, and micro stakes. ppl dont fold. also, most micro games, the starting stack is so low, that you HAVE to big bet to get a stack, all or nothing type poker.
but overall pot betting and over pot betting shows lack of skilll... a pot bet usually means top pair, decent kicker, but can be camouflaged to mean otheer things. the problem is a pot better wont get a lot of calls when it matters also, risking 1:1 like 300 for 300 is a no good bet.
its kinda all relative, low stakes. pot betting might just work cause u have idiots that call anything, but if you wish to move up, i suggest that a pot better focuses on what a bet is saying, rather than hitting POT and then enter, like a monkey everytime
I totally agree with you, it makes me mad when people go all in pre flop, I think it is insane, just sayin
not if it is bet at the right timing but going all in all the time is awful and ruins the game for many.