The main reason it seems like a pokersite is rigged

I hear it so much... people complaining about this site or that site being rigged because of rediculous cards winning....etc.....

I'm sure that people like me who play online for hours every day play a lot more hands than someone who is only playing at a brick and mortar casino, especially since multi-tabling is possible online.
Because of this I think we see many more sick outcomes than we would see otherwise.
So this makes a site look rigged to some players who don't have perspective on the amount of hands they are playing.

ssuglia has a 10 years PokerStars hand history ....... :D

.... I should have also said, that doesn't mean it never happens. Most of us know about the Cereus Poker Network's "superuser" scandal.

You're right, but I was reading in a poker book that our brains are programmed to recognize patterns even when they don't exist. It also causes superstitions like always playing a certain crappy hand because it's been "lucky" for a player. I see it as the sign of a player that doesn't want to look at the holes in their own game. So I ignore the bitching and focus on the fact they are probably the kind of player I want to be playing against.

I dont think pokerstars is riged likle you said we experience more hands so we see outcomes come out that are unusual

I dislike it when people consistently blame a site being rigged as a reason for losing, as that's rarely the case...

I'll just drop this here ... Confirmation bias - Wiki

"...People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively ... The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues..."

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Originally Posted by rdog1797

I dont think pokerstars is riged likle you said we experience more hands so we see outcomes come out that are unusual

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that shouldnt be the cause for such bullshit outcomes. you falling for the mind trip

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Originally Posted by bmeelneg

I'll just drop this here ... Confirmation bias - Wiki

"...People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively ... The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues..."

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this

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Originally Posted by PanlickTrollbait

that shouldnt be the cause for such bullshit outcomes. you falling for the mind trip

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But that's exactly the cause. It probly takes about a year of live poker to see the same amount of hands as one month of online. Put it this way, every possible bad beat has happened in live at some point. Every card in the deck has contributed to a one-outer in live poker too. If the card is still in the deck, it can happen. And players HAVE tracked millions of hands and found no discrepancies. These sites aren't rigged and it's a proven fact.

probly cause u never win so it must be rigged right

dont trust me.....i am rigged .......... :)

I agree. Online players play way more hands than brick and mortar. But sometimes the players that say that are also mostly online players. My guess is that they either don't multi table much or they're the kind that only focus on the bad beats.

It's not the sites that are fixed its the stupid players that play with hands that would normaly be in the muck that's why u see stupid results like AA busted by 7-5 os because the idiot who calls with a weak hand those hands would not normaly be in play .... It's bad calls preflop which turn in to good calls by time the river shows that's the problem .... :(

online poker is run by a software program and each deal has a predetermined winner not like playing at tables

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Originally Posted by royalpat

online poker is run by a software program and each deal has a predetermined winner not like playing at tables

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Every hand dealt live too has a predetermined winner. Nobody at the table knows what is going to be the best hand on the river.....this is true of live and internet poker....unless your playing at UB of course, then your getting pwned by people using admin software

only time people talk about the sites being rigged is when they lose, never seeing complaining if it happens to their advantage, lmao

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Originally Posted by mommahud

only time people talk about the sites being rigged is when they lose, never seeing complaining if it happens to their advantage, lmao

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I agree momma. Why can't people just accept the loss and move on? After all you cant tell someone else which cards to play.

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Originally Posted by Buckle82

It's not the sites that are fixed its the stupid players that play with hands that would normaly be in the muck that's why u see stupid results like AA busted by 7-5 os because the idiot who calls with a weak hand those hands would not normaly be in play .... It's bad calls preflop which turn in to good calls by time the river shows that's the problem .... :(

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There\'s a lot of reasons why people play the cards they play. For example, they think the other player is bluffing, they have the chips to call, its cheap to call n see the flop, etc. AA is not always gonna win, simple as that.

Rigged or not I\'m still gonna call and beat your ass!

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Originally Posted by oVITOo

But that's exactly the cause. It probly takes about a year of live poker to see the same amount of hands as one month of online. Put it this way, every possible bad beat has happened in live at some point. Every card in the deck has contributed to a one-outer in live poker too. If the card is still in the deck, it can happen. And players HAVE tracked millions of hands and found no discrepancies. These sites aren't rigged and it's a proven fact.

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@ VITO, finally a voice of reason, well said :)

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Originally Posted by JKoFF

Rigged or not I'm still gonna call and beat your ass!

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Lmao.

Toi i really thought i had a voice of reason finally and well said 'shrug'

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Originally Posted by Buckle82

It's not the sites that are fixed its the stupid players that play with hands that would normaly be in the muck that's why u see stupid results like AA busted by 7-5 os because the idiot who calls with a weak hand those hands would not normaly be in play .... It's bad calls preflop which turn in to good calls by time the river shows that's the problem .... :(

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Thank you for making this point, in short...lots of fuckin donkeys out there!...

Thinking about it, the good thing about people who complain is it is a sort of "tell". The player is either a fish, or easily put on tilt so their complaining could work to ones advantage. And oVITOo, you hit the nail on the head.

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Rigged or not I'm still gonna call and beat your ass!

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+1 leave it to hellraiser to get at the nuts and bolts of the issue...

i agree with you but sometimes i question myself why some donks get some manny help?or the big stack hit so manny times with raggs?

as has been mentioned not the softwares fault some fuckin idiot with more money than sense or just down right retarded decides to call your dominating hand with utter bs if im complaining im complaining about the sheer lack of mentality needed for someone to make THAT call not that the software then decided to reward them

If i thought something was rigged, i wouldnt be playing there...its that simple...and for the record, there are dealers out there that are trained mechanics and can rig a deck in live play too. if someone wants to cheat bad enough, they can probably find a way!

i think its rigged for big idiot players like urself its the player not the site they reward the bad play cant say i play site just the donks they rode in on

Before you just assume they are or are not, ask this question;

What frigging good would it do?

The answer is simply "not a helluva lot"

I have often heard it is rigged to give fish a better chance to keep them coming back, but that makes no sense whatsoever. In order to "come back" they would have to lose, right? So which is it? Rigged for fish so they can win and come back...no, no, lose and come back...but why let them lose, as that will not bring them back...oh, crap.

See? Kind of defies logic.

If you really think that, then why not play like one and win? You certainly could, right? And just how the hell does the program decide who the fish are? How does it not pick some as fish incorrectly? What if you shift gears and the program tags you as a fish...you then going to start winning? How does this profit the site? If the fish always win they have no reason to deposit, do they? If the pros get tired of the suckouts, they do not deposit either.

So I'll spare you all right now. I know exactly where all this comes from. I'll tell you something that no site will ever tell you. It's a little dark secret no one at any online site wants to have get out.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to stop collusion online.

You just cannot possibly stop a bunch of guys from loading up a table and communicating through chat, email, or a cell phone. Can you catch them? Only if they suck at it and screw up. Think about that for a minute. In the old days of live only poker, they had to develop a range of signals to communicate with each other to do this. Now that they do not, they can just skip that silliness and concentrate on not raising any red flags, like re-raising the flop bet, betting big on the turn and folding to a small river bet by their friend when the competition has folded. They are very, very hard to detect if they are careful. It would be easy to develop a set of rules, just like those signals, that make it hard to detect and profitable enough. If you are on a 9 handed cash table with 5 colluders, they can quickly and easily figure out what is already out and what you most likely have or do not have. Just that alone could be a huge advantage. Imagine you are bluffing that you have a ACE when they know you do not. See? Not that hard.

And the sites just have no way of catching this. Most only go back and look after a complaint. They cannot really monitor for it. And if they could, they will figure out a way around that as well. You just cannot stop it.

So, guys go to cash tables, see oddball stuff and never get it that the site is not rigged, the table is. And not by the site, but by the players.

Here is another thing they cannot detect or stop , at least not that I am aware of:

Windows remote desktop.

You have 5 friends sign up onto a site with their computer at their home on their IP address. Then one guy at one location can access all 5 computers remotely. To the site it looks like 5 different IP addresses. But it is not. It is one guy now playing as 5 different people. And chip dumping is even easier if you simply play heads up, wait for a dominating hand for you and a reasonably strong hand for the other "player" at the same time so a losing all in call is justifiable. Better yet, cut those other guys in and have them make the withdrawals under their own names. Leave them enough for the taxes and a little profit, and baad-a-bing baad-a-boop...you are all "in the money".

So don't worry. The site being rigged is the least of your problems, lmao.

Another thing is that many poker players don't understand that they suck and so whenever they lose, they look to when they get unlucky as a fallback reason as to why they are losing, rather than reviewing hands, studying the game, watching videos, breaking down the math, learning concepts, etc. to improve. 99% of this site (and of online players) follows this never-ending cycle. The 1% who don't enjoy it. Easy long term money.

I agree, well put!! and it is very very true!! when u have 6 players in a hand, u are bound to get a few suck outs (oops i mean bad beats)

I agree, sometimes I feel like its rigged too but its just a bad call and a lil luck.