Reading back over the thread and thinking about it. I understand why people have alot of problems with JJ. It seems so much better than 88 99 or 10 10 but you are still probably hoping to hit a set. If you don't hit a set with your JJ then you are losing to all sorts of hands if a Q k or A hits the flop. I think more than any other hand( maybe AJ is the most overvalued) JJ is played stronger than it is.