If anyone is following the latest Online High Stakes Scam involving Joe Machado, Dogishead, and Jungleman, you will find this humorous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rV6pbfA1DM
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If anyone is following the latest Online High Stakes Scam involving Joe Machado, Dogishead, and Jungleman, you will find this humorous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rV6pbfA1DM
Yeah this has been a big discussion in a different forum I am in also. This goes to show the integrity of sites who will put a ban on the little people for muti accounting but when you have a huge high stakes player like Jungleman, and let him multi because nobody wants to sit and play against him is sick. But as every one knows FullTilt was never on the up and up about anything.
Oh I think now that it is exposed, they are pretty much done. Dogishead is quitting poker and traveling the world, great he can afford it, lol.
I think Jungleman is gonna try and recoup though, his PR chick is really trying to save him and I know he self banned from "10-6"
I think they have all been fired from the coaching sites as well.
All those super grinders are going to do is move out of the states because they can afford it and start a new account like they know how to do. If I was bringing in the rake and spending absurd amounts of money on a site, I would be getting special treatment also :)
They could, but they will never be able to emerge as they did. Their faces are out there, everyone knows them and their reputations shot.
Look at Patrik Antonius, he has admitted to have many accounts on fulltilt and also admitted to allowing other players to use his accounts, plus on top of that admitted to having a 100% rake back account also. Look at him now he is still playing in major poker events.
I haven't followed this since the first few days ... the 2+2 threads were insane. So much so I just decided to wait for the inevetiable cliff notes stickey.
Hmmm maybe time to revisit this scandal.
lmao, I cannot get through a thread there to save my life, I do not have the patience, lol. I will go get cliffnotes and be back....Quote:
Originally Posted by bmeelneg
These are cliffnotes From AlaskaBill, a member of another forum I am part of.
A supposed new poker prodigy, Jose Macadeo appeared several months ago. On the basis of support/vouching from Dogishead, Jungleman, and to a lesser extent Sauce 123 along with alleged wins totaling 1.6 million he was made a sponsored pro on Lock and a coach at one of the training video sites.
It has since been revealed that Jose super used against a group of high stakes players that he was "coaching". He used team viewer to "sweat" them and then played against them on another account, while seeing their hole cards and stole around 30K.
DIH and Jungleman were staking him at the time. It has since come out that Jungleman played on Jose's account to get action from, among others, Tyler Smith and won 10K off of Smith. Smith knew Jungle, thought they were friends, and never would have played him. He thought (legitimately) that he was playing Jose.
DIH orchestrated a chip dump of 10k to Jose using the screen name Sam chuan (sp) which is the name of Jungle's life coach. The chilp dump was allegedly just to fund Jose's stake but it also allowed him to win a competition that Lock was sponsoring.
No one thinks that JM or DIH had anything to do with the super using and they did help get the skype group paid back. The ghosting, multi-accounting and chip dumping has done sever damage to their reputations however.
Jose was fired by Lock and the training site. Most now believe that he was never a "prodigy" and that his supposed wins were fabricated.
DIH was fired by cardrunners, has self banned from 2+2 and is supposedly quitting poker to travel the world.
JM is taking a lot of heat for ghosting vs. Tyler and is no longer seen as one of the good guys. Laura is allegedly (there is some question) JM's publicist who has been attempting and largely failing at damage control.
Crooks everywhere,,,, can't even trust sites that famous and big....
Yeah, all the scandal and dirty laundry coming out after the FTP scandal almost make me glad the US shut down all those sites so, we could get all the filth out. It will always be there, just under more checks and balances now. Nothing can be a secret forever.
There will always be those who cheat online, but it's sad when people do it in high stakes, especially since most of those players could've legitimately made decent money just grinding like we all do.
I am pretty sure they actually were making great money grinding, and coaching and such. It is just all flushed now with their reputations.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBeesKnees
It's sad to know that those players probably really weren't as good as every one thought, but that they were good at scamming players by hiding behind different accounts. I agree with Cookies, it seems that if those sites weren't shut down none of this may have come to light. I try not to think about this because I enjoy playing on-line but it's horrible to think that when I log onto a site I just might be sitting at a table where a player is scamming me out of my money.
Its sad this whole thing, but in a way its nothing new, so to speak. Cheating was going on way back in the riverboat days, cheating will happen again in the future.
Not saying everyone cheats ... just makes you wonder how much is going on under the radar.
Yeah this is what I was referring to, what is sad is it seems that a lot of top high stakes grinders who we love to watch and hear about are the ones who were cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmeelneg
SrslySirius makes kick ass videos though on such subjects.
Their F*uck You remake regarding full tilt was hilarious.
Men "the Master" and his chip dumping was the one that really messed with head. Not sure how much of the story is true beyond a reasonable doubt, but he has that cheater stigma now nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drywallman3
There does seem to be crooks everywhere, which is very disappointing. It's the biggest reason why I never play for big stakes on line.
Dam I Am OLDDDDDDDDDDDDD Dont understand most of this crap out there now a dayz
im a little confused. So they had multiple accounts and would dump to the main account to make themself look like a stud and then would use multiple accounts and key in a single player to take their money>??
The Girah/Jungleman/DOG IS HEAD Scandal: 2+2 CLIFF NOTES
The first post in this thread ^^^^^ is the cliff notes of 10's of thousands of post on this subject in the 2+2 community. The first post is edited/updated so don't worry about the 8-12-2011 post date.
Yes this is what they were doing. When Patrik Antonius smashed Isildur1 in their heads up games it later came out that Isildur's Hand Histories was stolen and Patrik and another player reviewed this to see how Isildur played certain cards. He pretty much had an advantage knowing his Hand Histories to beat him, it was not skill at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by taketherake
Those are awesome Cliffnotes, thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by bmeelneg
afaik, Only Machado used the team viewer and a bogus account to actually scam the students. DIH and JM have actually helped to get the players paid back. (With the exception of JM playing on Jose Machado's account to scam Tyler Smith)
They still were involved in other not so great activities.
i hate to say this but you should know that majority of these guys are not honest and crooked, i seen it first hand on ps that i knew of a mult acct. ps was informed but nothing happen to the guy because he was a high dollar player, its about the folks, no integrity whatsoever
I'll play along ... names please. I'm talking PS only here ... no UB FTP ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by gametime74
A lot of the players have been banned, or no longer can play due to government regulations. It's really not to hard to note the cheats, good way to do it is watch a cash table before sitting down. Note if players are from the same country. Check to see if one over bids another player in the hand from a different country, then if the "Buddy" comes over the top to steal the pot, and his "friend" folds with hardly any money left then that should be a note to you that their is cheating. Report it and Pokerstars will do an investigation. They are cracking down now on this type of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmeelneg
do not follow this but seems like yall are having fun with it