common mistakes i see alot of...

I dont claim to be any kind of great player, but this forum is supposed to be about helping others, so i figured i would make a thread with some common mistakes i see people doing quiet frequently...

Shoving all into a pot worth 90 chips and you have over 2k chips and its still in the first level of blinds...
Re-raising on the river without the nuts...
Betting when you should be checking...
checking when you should be betting... seems like people play ass backwards now days...
chasing straights with possible flush on board
chasing flushes with a pair on board
raising out of position pre-flop (in the blinds) with what i consider weak hands...
betting to get people to fold instead of betting to get people to call...

im sure there are alot more, but im just hoping maybe atleast 1 personn will read this maybe fix a hole or two in their game...

Whats wrong with Re-raising on the river without the nuts? If I know I have a better hand then my opponent on the river, I may Re raise to get more then what I could get? You don't have to have the nuts on the river to raise!! Play your opponent not your cards all the time and you all might get better IMO!!

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Originally Posted by Jaytodd28

Whats wrong with Re-raising on the river without the nuts? If I know I have a better hand then my opponent on the river, I may Re raise to get more then what I could get? You don't have to have the nuts on the river to raise!! Play your opponent not your cards all the time and you all might get better IMO!!

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this and tbh u giving out advice is kinda laughable tbf

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Originally Posted by azreal1

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this and tbh u giving out advice is kinda laughable tbf

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sorry just thought this community needed a little more positive posts to help then to put down and shame

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Originally Posted by azreal1

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this and tbh u giving out advice is kinda laughable tbf

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I agree 100% with you Jay thats the difference between the next level players and the want to be's...

agreed with jaytodd u don't have to have the nuts to bet on river in any buyin of tourney. It helps but u play ur opponent and not ur cards...

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Originally Posted by ryangray420

agreed with jaytodd u don't have to have the nuts to bet on river in any buyin of tourney. It helps but u play ur opponent and not ur cards...

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I didnt say you had to have the nuts to bet on the river... maybe re-read??? but im not gonna sit around and defend this post all day with people who dont want the advice dont take it ...

You dont specifically say you cant raise on the river without the nuts, but your insinuating that it is a bad thing to do when its not bad, all depends on the hand played and the opponent your up against is all!!

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Originally Posted by Jaytodd28

You dont specifically say you cant raise on the river without the nuts, but your insinuating that it is a bad thing to do when its not bad, all depends on the hand played and the opponent your up against is all!!

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these were some vvery very broad and general guidlines i felt could help some of the newer players out that is all

Hey im not knocking you at all for what you have said, I was just putting my opinion on 1 of the comments you had posted thats all!!

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Originally Posted by JLynn171

I didnt say you had to have the nuts to bet on the river... maybe re-read??? but im not gonna sit around and defend this post all day with people who dont want the advice dont take it ...

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No you said you shouldnt re raise the river without the nuts, which as a blanket statement is just ridiculous. This might be good advice to give the most novice of players, but for anyone with even a decent understanding of the game its idiotic to think you have to have the best possible hand to be re raising, I mean there are situations where even if you have the worst possible hand you should be re-raising.

Also you said "Betting when you should be checking...checking when you should be betting" I mean obviously its true that if you check when you should bet its a mistake. But what situations are you talking about? your trying to list common mistakes instead you list 2 that are always mistakes. If your going to make a list like this you need to say when people are checking that they should be betting and the other way around. Not just that you see people check when you think they should bet. Give us some examples of when you see people betting when they should be checking. And some of when you see people checking when they should be betting. I would be interested to see what you come up with.

Now that that is out of the way..... One of the most common mistakes I see people on BCP especially making is chasing flush draws when pot odds say they should fold. Example There is 1500 in the pot I have 98hh on the button and the flop is Ah3h10d small blind bets 500. I am 50/50 to most hands so that means need to be getting at least 2:1 on a call. Obviously here it is a good call. Turn is 5c 2500 in the pot and the SB bets 1250. Now I am only about 20% against most hands which means I would need to be getting 5:1 on a call. Since I would only be getting 3:1 on a call, AND i am not drawing to the nuts. The right move is to fold. Following strict pot odds rules i am not sure if drawing to the nuts changes anything, but me personally if I am drawing to the nuts AND I think i will likely get paid off if i hit, I will open up just a little bit. I still wouldn't be calling in this example, but if I am 20% to win and i am getting 3.5:1 or better, drawing to the nuts and believe I will get paid off, and of course stack and situation dependent, I'll see the river but only if all those stipulations are met. Otherwise if pot odds are worse than your odds of winning the pot, you need to be folding.

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Originally Posted by nab76

No you said you shouldnt re raise the river without the nuts, which as a blanket statement is just ridiculous. This might be good advice to give the most novice of players, but for anyone with even a decent understanding of the game its idiotic to think you have to have the best possible hand to be re raising, I mean there are situations where even if you have the worst possible hand you should be re-raising.

Also you said "Betting when you should be checking...checking when you should be betting" I mean obviously its true that if you check when you should bet its a mistake. But what situations are you talking about? your trying to list common mistakes instead you list 2 that are always mistakes. If your going to make a list like this you need to say when people are checking that they should be betting and the other way around. Not just that you see people check when you think they should bet. Give us some examples of when you see people betting when they should be checking. And some of when you see people checking when they should be betting. I would be interested to see what you come up with.

Now that that is out of the way..... One of the most common mistakes I see people on BCP especially making is chasing flush draws when pot odds say they should fold. Example There is 1500 in the pot I have 98hh on the button and the flop is Ah3h10d small blind bets 500. I am 50/50 to most hands so that means need to be getting at least 2:1 on a call. Obviously here it is a good call. Turn is 5c 2500 in the pot and the SB bets 1250. Now I am only about 20% against most hands which means I would need to be getting 5:1 on a call. Since I would only be getting 3:1 on a call, AND i am not drawing to the nuts. The right move is to fold. Following strict pot odds rules i am not sure if drawing to the nuts changes anything, but me personally if I am drawing to the nuts AND I think i will likely get paid off if i hit, I will open up just a little bit. I still wouldn't be calling in this example, but if I am 20% to win and i am getting 3.5:1 or better, drawing to the nuts and believe I will get paid off, and of course stack and situation dependent, I'll see the river but only if all those stipulations are met. Otherwise if pot odds are worse than your odds of winning the pot, you need to be folding.

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checking when should be betting (they check after they hit good made hand) betting when they should be checking (betting a draw or waiting till after they checked see another card which would be a scare card then decide to bet their made hand they previously checked...)

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Originally Posted by JLynn171

checking when should be betting (they check after they hit good made hand) betting when they should be checking (betting a draw or waiting till after they checked see another card which would be a scare card then decide to bet their made hand they previously checked...)

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Yuck.

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alot of pro's in here.


Thanks jlynn ill try some of that !:cool:

Never hurts to be reminded. Some people should actually have this on a sticky note, on their computer screen.