Is this Collusion or Tournament Strategy?

In tournament play, a short stack shoves all in and two larger stacks call. The two larger stacked players, without conversation, check out the action in attempts to have a better chance at the showdown to knock out the short stack. An example of this is discussed by Bobby Oboodi and the commentators during the WPT Borgata Open.
Link here World Poker Tour 10, E09 -- Borgata Poker Open - YouTube between 7:25-9:30.

Jin Wong, an amateur player, fails to call because he was unaware of the implied strategy of he and Bobby checking it out till the showdown.

I pose this question out of a difference of opinion between 1downswing1 and I, he says this strategy is collusion and cheating. I said he's a dumbass for posture betting me out of a hand, when we would have knocked out a short stack had he let me see the river. What do you think?

Lol this isnt even a question. Its 100% not collusion

It is only collusion if it is verbally discussed out loud, this is pretty standard.

is it cheating that the winning team in a football game knees down to run the clock down? its strategy and smart play, albeit a no balls play lol

lol, 1downswing1 is an idiot. You are 100% correct here. Not collusion in any way.

agree 100% not collusion, in a live game i bet a guy out n he had a go at me for it being poor poker etiquette,however its not that either, its just a case of who has the bigger balls and who wants to take a risk, 1downswing is a retard i mean have u seen the guy play?

Oh and this hand and strategy is further discussed in the Raw Deal segment later in the episode. Yeah I thought I wasn't crazy, Thanks guys.

i would have called this for sure. although it seems, very few people know the unwritten rules of poker, it seems everyone is a dumbazz these days. I am willing to help knock some one out if we are on a bubble or if we are trying to ladder up the money, but i have had str8 idiots bet me off of pots with nothing on the bubble of satellites. I mean the poker world is so fckn stupid these days, which all in all is a good thing, but the lack of thought in people is baffling.

I would agree that it is NOT collusion.

Oh yes pokeyourface I forgot to mention this was just before the bubble as well

Not collision at all if no talking at table. It's expected play really.

Honestly i dont give a toss its a freeroll but /wp for going out from near chip leader to nothing in 3 hands lol

ps nice attire suits you sir

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Originally Posted by PokeYourFace

i would have called this for sure. although it seems, very few people know the unwritten rules of poker, it seems everyone is a dumbazz these days. I am willing to help knock some one out if we are on a bubble or if we are trying to ladder up the money, but i have had str8 idiots bet me off of pots with nothing on the bubble of satellites. I mean the poker world is so fckn stupid these days, which all in all is a good thing, but the lack of thought in people is baffling.

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i agree with all post so far and with u 110%.if ev1 understand poker is about kO players,they will stop bet dry pot.

this scenario is very common in tournament play and is not collusion, the two big stack players have a better chance eliminating the small stack by simply checking it down. Although the small stack may not like this, it is such tournament life and very common.

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Originally Posted by jrs015

Lol this isnt even a question. Its 100% not collusion

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Exactly no doubt about it. I actually witnessed real collusion one time.

This definitely isn't collusion. However, I am one of the few people that won't just check it down. I am in the hand to build my stack, not to take someone else's down. This may sound like it's the same thing, but not quite. I actually played in a tournament once where I was clearly treated like an inferior player by both the players and the dealers. One of the hands was a situation like this, and after the attitude I got from the guy I had pushed into folding, well, it basically created a tilt like situation except it threw me into my A game. I started rolling over that table, which was hilarious cause I was the little 22 year old girl playing with all these middle aged men. I could have chopped, but refused to because I was heads up with the asshole that told me I had played my hand wrong by not checking it down. He was actually the one asking to chop, but he got lucky and took second. That was probably the most satisfying tournament I've ever played in, because when I was getting paid out, the dealers that had given me attitude were now telling me how well I played. Anyways, off topic, but I'm stubborn, and that little incident reinforced the idea that I'm only playing for myself. Unless it's the bubble, I will not check down a good hand.

there is no collusion on this hand they just want too take you out!!

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Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

It is only collusion if it is verbally discussed out loud, this is pretty standard.

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this happens all the time and its a smart thing to try and do to knock out a short stack

would def. say not collusion. i c this happen all the time, just to knock guy out. yes would be diff. issue if they were talking about what they were doing

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Originally Posted by 1downswing1

Honestly i dont give a toss its a freeroll but /wp for going out from near chip leader to nothing in 3 hands lol

ps nice attire suits you sir

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translation...im wrong im wrong im wrong im wrong

Stunningly accurate azreal, I believe you must be a professional linquist.

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Originally Posted by 1downswing1

Honestly i dont give a toss its a freeroll but /wp for going out from near chip leader to nothing in 3 hands lol

ps nice attire suits you sir

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While I'm not sure that wagering money has to do with ignorance,
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If I have a strong hand, I bet in the hopes that the other guy will call. It's stupid to bluff the other guy off though. You don't win anything and the SS triples up.

I don't think it is collusion, the thing is that bluffing is not useful, cause you can't steal the pot

definitely not collusion! just dumb play by players that dont give a sh%t, and ruin the game for everyone else!

Def not collusion and def the right play, but you know if we are 11 handed and 10 pay (or whatever similar scenario) and I have a medium stack and think I can abuse the bubble to grow my stack a ton, I may have interest in keeping the bubble alive if it wouldn't cost me much, but this is a different scenario altogether and not what happened.

He's a dumbass lol. If you have a chance to move up in the money do what you have to do.

Yea if you call preflop unless you flop the nuts and want more value it makes more sense to check it down.

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Originally Posted by tracyrickrobby

definitely not collusion! just dumb play by players that dont give a sh%t, and ruin the game for everyone else!

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how is this dumb playO.o lol

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Originally Posted by azreal1

how is this dumb playO.o lol

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meant by downswing! betting into a dry pot with air

as you laid it out to us it does not sound like collusion. if they talked about it out loud during the hand then yes it would be collusion but because they didnt talk about it it isnt collusion

yea this is defanately not collusionz!

this in not collusionz :))
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How would 2 players both making +ev decisions be collusion? They are acting in their own self-interest by checking it down.