Guys, I know you don't all understand how I play. I rarely bet preflop unless I am mad, and I don't bet to take anyone out. I do however call to someone else's bet. I use a number system to play and no I don't write numbers down but I observe if Js coming out a lot and I have one with a decent kicker, I will play it. I love the game and just want to play with my friends, but never think I can't play for real. So far this week my total cash take is over $1000 and I am in some big games this weekend and hope to do well. good luck on the felt. cat