Staking upgrade - Conceptual Phase

This site, as it's grown, is in need of a staking system (yes, I'm breaking that news story). This section of the site needs the following 3 pages:

1. The Tournament/Stake Information
This is the page where the agreement actually happens - it contains the Site the game is played on, the buy-in, staker and stakee, the Tournament Name, the Staker Cut, the Stakee Cut, Stakeback (Yes or No)

After the person is eliminated or wins, the results section can be filled out. It should include ITM (Yes or No), The place finished (regardless if they cashed), Tournament Winnings, Timely Payback (Yes or No - at discretion of the staker), Staker Experience (Positive, Negative or Neutral), and a textbox for Feedback.

2. The Player Information
So this is where you can check on a potential horse to see their results and dependability (this should be linked to someone's profile as well). Top level fields here are Total Stakes, Total money or Average money run per stake and # of Positive/Negative feedbacks. Below that should be a list of all the stakes they have played (with the result and a little check or x depending on the feedback for said tournament), and a way to expand the "feedback" section to display all feedback given over their course of being staked on this site.

3. The Stake Marketplace
No reason to re-invent the wheel here - do it just like the current marketplace with what the person is looking to play. Perhaps we could add a min-max of what games they are willing to play (some people aren't comfortable running big stakes).

Anyway, hope this is a starting point. This system only really works for single tournament stakes - if it was a sit n go grind or a cash game stake, we need to expand it, but this is really just to get devpmal's attention ;).

Much like the concept of the marketplace, if you stick with it and use it, you CANNOT get scammed.

Feedback?

I think that's a great idea.. As long as people use it, people still try and make trades without marketplace, which still results in scams.

Looks good to me. I think there is so much staking going on now that it would be nice to have staking as a separate sub-forum from the marketplace. And a staker review system is 100% necessary.

lol i need a stake right now...is this in effect yet?

i dont think you can ever have a staking thing that will work....at the end f the day your still gonna need the guy to send the % back to staker....and nota guarentee that will happen......

ZAB if this is the thread where the said info is to be posted, how about AFTER an agreement is made. like the terms etc. so it doesnt fill up with begging

actually your right the faith in good people on the internet is at an all time low

Parttimepoker had like a staking system....thinkthas the site....it was a staking site....try and use their system.

PartytimePoker? What kind of site is this?

A staking section huh?Yea it makes sense since of u love staking on here!

This sounds like a great start Rivdee. The trust factor is something people will have to earn from people.

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Originally Posted by TrueOC

i dont think you can ever have a staking thing that will work....at the end f the day your still gonna need the guy to send the % back to staker....and nota guarentee that will happen......

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true but maybe a percentage of stakes accepted and completed would be nice, so the backer can have an idea this guy will most likely send back agreement amount if he/she cashes

Here's the issue I have. Nothing is going to be automatic. You will have to manually fill in the results for every tournament yourself..

What information do you want for each tournament?

How many players
How much the stake was
How much he won \ lost
Did he repay his stake?

This is what I need to know.. EXACTLY what information and how we present it.


So ideally.. If someone can spec out exactly what you want.. This page does this (Fill in these boxes) then that takes you to this page and it looks like this.. etc..

Just tell me exactly what you want and I'll make it happen

Here's OneDesperates idea:

Could you add a few upgrades to it and then make all stakes done through po have to go through that feature? One of the upgrades I was thinking just simply make people provide a screenshot of the game they played showing their finishing position. Then have feedback for all stakes ran....You should also be able to make terms such as makeup etc.

Moved this thread... Let's continue the discussion here

Its sounding good so far.

+1 on the screenshot idea,

Must have the following for sure:
Tournament Name/Number
Buy In
Stake Terms - 50/50 etc.
Stake Back (aka SB) - Yes or No


Thats whats needed to get stake going, the following has to be reported by the horse and confirmed by the backer.
Place Finished
Bust Hand (Could use screenshot idea here)
Money Won
Amount of Cut sent back to Backer


Would also have some type of feedback system, maybe gaining points for each stake with the amount of winnings sent back to backer determining how many points you get, say 1 point for every $1, could maybe have this also under Money Won on the forums and call it Stake Points Earned or something.

Someone add anything Im missing?

I think if its possible a 3 strikes your out and it will block the user from using the staking feature. The staker can leave a bad mark, if they are not paid promply, or the stakee decides to change the agreed upon terms after they play, etc...
These are issues that seem to come up.

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Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

I think if its possible a 3 strikes your out and it will block the user from using the staking feature. The staker can leave a bad mark, if they are not paid promply, or the stakee decides to change the agreed upon terms after they play, etc...
These are issues that seem to come up.

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I think it might need to be stricter, if someone that is staked makes a BIG win, they may still decide that it's worth scamming for a blackmark/strike...

Blackchip is where most stakes are being made and there is no real way to track it. So the screenshot is the best option imo. I don't like the bust hand because that info can be changed. It is also kind of a hassle to try to get a screenshot when you're eliminated. So I think the best option is to simply provide a screenshot of your finishing position in the lobby. You have plenty of time to get a screenshot of that and if there is any money won it will clearly show the amount and all other information about tourney the including tourney ID #. Another nice option would be to have a total $ staked and total $ won on stake. That way people could see if the person is winning money in the long run. The stake should have the option of additional requirements. For this part you could simply make a place to write those options. For example if somebody says hey you stake me and if I lose I will pay you back by such and such date. The last option should be feedback.....It could go with the other feedback, but it should stand out as staking feedback so people will know the difference between staking feedback instead of marketplace feedback. Even if a guy honors the staking deal it would be nice to be able to add hey I staked this guy and he went all in with 150 bb's on A/7 off. lol

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Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

I think if its possible a 3 strikes your out and it will block the user from using the staking feature. The staker can leave a bad mark, if they are not paid promply, or the stakee decides to change the agreed upon terms after they play, etc...
These are issues that seem to come up.

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+1

After the person is eliminated or wins, the results section can be filled out. It should include ITM (Yes or No), The place finished (regardless if they cashed), Tournament Winnings, Timely Payback (Yes or No - at discretion of the staker), Staker Experience (Positive, Negative or Neutral), and a textbox for Feedback.

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Originally Posted by TrueOC

i dont think you can ever have a staking thing that will work....at the end f the day your still gonna need the guy to send the % back to staker....and nota guarentee that will happen......

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i totally agree!! almost impossible to stop the scammers!! u just have to totally 100% trust the person you are staking!! i will never stake anyone, unless i really now the person and have played with them for over 1 year!!

Staking in this environment, with this skill level, is just, pissing in the wind.