zabbbb first offf , they were never reefer poker OL< they were always seperate, BUT fletstars took over reffer poker and gew and got better> they have easeof P2p transfers,, u dont even have to be a depositor there. and can still receive a transfer, at carbon u cannot do that.carbon will prolly ONLY let u have poeple play who sighned up th ru urs ite,,w hich would eleiminate all of us who already have acct there, Fletstars wont do that tho. once u get in with feltstars they will work with u bettter, and the link i gave u will help a lot. he can help for sure.their regular email, is a little slow,, especially n the weekends. so dont judge by that th o.see what he tellls ya, and gettin things set up fast,,, and then decide, i know i cant play the carbon ones tho,, and i prefer feltstars,, but is totally up to u tho, and i understand,,but i hope u pick something where we ALL can continue to play,, and not JUST THOSE who havent dwnloaded sites yet OK gl