Quote Originally Posted by bmeelneg View Post
This is actually pretty easy to explain. As discussed many times already talking about your hand when others are involved is a major no no.

Here is one of many instances of what a google search for "poker etiquette" will produce.

Poker Etiquette: Basic Poker Rules and Table Manners

2. Don't Talk About Your Cards While the Hand is Still Going On

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google "poker collusion" ... one of the first hits

Poker Collusion

The most common form of cheating online is called ?collusion?. Colluders work in teams to either bet other players out of the pot, share information about what cards they each have, or to ?chip dump? to one another.

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If you know two cards that are dead and they are no help to you then you gain an edge... If I needed one of 4 eights or one of 4 fours to make a straight I'd love to know that 2 tens were dead.
This proves nothing. So doing 1 thing that colluders do just proves they were colluding. Thats like saying DL in the NFL usually weigh over 300llbs. So when i see someone 300llbs+ i can disregard all the other information i have and just assume he plays as a DL in the NFL. I know its stupid but that seems to be the arguements we are going for today.

People seem to be missing my point. Mrfury said what hand he held. I agree with everyone that he cant/shouldnt do this. Normally his hand is ruled dead. Gimme didnt really do anything wrong. He indulged in table talk and while borderline all casino's/ card rooms have diff rules when it comes to what kinda talk they allow. You could even say he acted out of turn and his verbal action was binding, but since mrfury shoved the action changed and so he isnt held to his verbal action anymore.

Ive never said that there wasnt some kind of foul play in the hand. But seriously with all the information available you cant say these guys were colluding against bpm. BPM is in this thread calling for bans and what not. When ur in the casino and somone flips up there hand my mistake and u see his cards do you stand up and scream "FLOOR", Then tell the floor you want everyone at the table kicked out and banned for colluding because they all see what hand he held and will use that info against you.

Fury made a simple mistake. He even apologised for it. Yet your still on a mission to prove this was collusion against you.