Originally Posted by
deedbr
What where the blinds at this point? Right now I think you made a very weak call on the initial players all in bet and UTG +1 call.
Regardless of the flop what are you hoping to hit. You are putting in over 10% of you stack on a Q10. In this situation you are ahead pre flop, but normally Q10 is a trouble hand. It is easily dominated and really risky to put in over 10% of your stack. If a Queen or a 10 hit, how confident could you be that it is the best hand with the action that preceded it.
If you had a read on UTG +1 that told you he/she was going to call with crap then you might as well push all in preflop that way you are getting the extra dead money versus the original raiser. That could justify playing the weak hand. But a call puts you in a situation that the pot is all ready so big you don't have much room to maneuver to find out where your hand stands on the flop.
On the flop the pot has 4500 chips now. If UTG +1 does a standard C Bet, that is about 2000 chips. If you reraise to see where you are. Your reraise would be at least 2000 additional chips and most likely 4000 additional. So 6000 chips of your remaining 10,550. But you normally wouldn't even do that since you have committed so many chips. You would probably just go all in over a C Bet. If you where going to do that you might as well have done it preflop. Not saying that is correct but...
I am just saying that when the action comes to you preflop you need to ask yourself what you are planning on doing. What is your plan for this hand. How will the size of the pot dictate the action that will happen afterwards based on you and UTG +1s stack sizes.
In my opinion if I was going to speculate on a hand like this in that situation, the UTG +1 and myself would both have to have stacks exceeding 28000 chips. This way you have room to play. This way you aren't speculating with trash with over 10% of your stack.
I do believe that you did a "Donk Call". However, in my opinion that "Donk Call" is the initial call that got you in this mess.